Yep and not copy and paste from the QDMA forum posting manual. 5 years on this ground isn't a lifetime of experience. But I know multiple people in these soils from northern Wisconsin. And have read about countless others dealing with these soils. They don't all share exactly the same soil make-up. Some need more fertilizer than others. What we all have in turning wooded land into food plots in these soils is very low PH and it takes a lot of lime and time over years to get it to move. My only point was he doesn't need a soil test in these soils to lime. But I love firing up any QDMA weenie I can.