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Discussion in 'The Water Cooler' started by Skywalker, Dec 16, 2012.

  1. Germ

    Germ Legendary Woodsman

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    Yes I did, because just because you have a desire, does not mean you can do it.

    Which is why I picked WR for Michigan, there is no way I can do it, I know that, but I still want too do it.
    I have no doubt these teachers coming forward that have a desire to carry a gun and take on the bad guys have nothing but good intentions. Does it mean they can or should just because they have a "desire".

    So if Coach Hoke came to me and said "Germ you're in suit up" I would and then fail, LOL
     
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  2. NEW61375

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    Germ I follow you but what is the difference between them conceal carrying and you conceal carrying? Can you carry? Should you?
     
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    It would be impossible for you to play WR at MI because you lack physical ability. It would be 100% impossible for you to gain that physical ability.

    If a teacher wants to carry, they can be trained. It is 100% possible to train them.

    So, you becoming a WR is laughable, a teacher becoming trained to carry is honorable.
     
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    tynimiller Legendary Woodsman

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    Germ do not skip over the other points I made in order to do it. You neglected to pay attention to the fact I said proper paperwork and TRAINING! The biggest key is training. That alone would take care of a lot of teachers that shouldn't carry. Make them have so many hours before they can and stay up to date (say so many hours training every 3 months). Not a huge deal....I respect both sides of this, but don't ignore and pick and choose one thing I said. I said desire to carry only because some teachers even if training is paid for still wouldn't want to....you comparison is ridiculous.
     
  5. Muzzy Man

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    I don't know... I watched a couple Michigan games this year... I don't think their standards are all that high. I am thinking Germy should go for it.
     
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    tynimiller Legendary Woodsman

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    :) that didn't take as long as I thought it would for someone to say that :)
     
  7. NEW61375

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    lol :)
     
  8. Germ

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    I am not, hey I can get trained as a WR. It takes a certain type of person to do this job, a certain type of attitude. Finding a teacher and a person who is cool under pressure is a hard mix.

    Teachers need to teach, and right now we have enough issues with teachers teaching, adding the pressure of proctecter is not going to fly.
     
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    Wrong. No matter how much training or proper attitude you have, you will never have the physical ability to be a WR. Ever. Impossible. Of course, you'll skip past that part, because it doesn't fit in with your analogy.

    You're acting like people are saying the nun at your daughters catholic school should be force trained to carry. The part you keep missing and skipping is the fact that the only teachers who would carry are the ones that want to and are trained to do so.
     
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    Well I have a bachelor's degree in Elementary Education if I was teaching (not currently) I would do it. I've been around guns for my whole life and would take every possible training offered and pray I never had to actually use it. Obviously this is a step we wouldn't need if we put security officers in our schools.
     
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    To a degree that they'd be allowed too...I bet not all would pass even then. You may not even get one at each school to be honest.
     
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    Aren't they capable of deciding that for themselves? When you conceal carry do you feel added pressure or more safe? They are the protectors of these kids already they are just not equipped for it. They can hide and attempt to barricade, I can't imagine the pressure they feel in that scenario.
     
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    Exactly.
     
  14. Skywalker

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    The difference is playing wide receive would require a physical skill set which you may not possess. Anyone can learn and be taught proper handling and use of a weapon. Our military has been doing the for years. My nephew is kind of a nerd, small frame, immature and at some point would not have been the type of person you would feel comfortable around if he had a gun. Today, he is a Navy medic who has served time in afghanistan w. the marine corp on the razors edge. He has become skilled and proficient with several weapons. It's a learned response that doesn't take any special physical abilities.
     
  15. tynimiller

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    If I couldn't get out and was a teacher (told my kindergarten wife the same) barricade barricade barricade. Just because I'd have a gun wouldn't mean I'd go hunting for them and leave my kids un-protected.
     
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    Any other teachers on here besides myself? I know Mbhunter is.

    Just wondering if anyone has any input or an opinion from the inside.
     
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    I would suggest that there is a tremendously huge difference in the training and experiences your nephew has had and the training and experiences school teachers get/have.
     
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    With a class full of students that really IS your best option. The second you make an attempt to leave that room with that # of students, there's WAY too much that can go wrong even if you were armed to the teeth.
     
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    Could you say with certainty that all armed teachers would react the same way?
     
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    Nope...but with training I would bet the trainer's would make it very clear you stay defensive not offensive..now I could see a prinicpal or someone like that not on student "duty" hunting for it.
     

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