Here's a thought, we've tried everything else, lets eliminate gun free zones for 5 years. See where that takes us. If it doesn't drastically reduce mass shootings. They can completely ban assault weapons and high capacity magazines WITH NO FIGHT. Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk 2
I think I am done here. Some of you want to convince yourself that a shotgun is no different than an AR and wont even consider the fact that the AR was designed specifically for combat. The killing of people. If a shotgun was just as effective in mass killings the AR would never have been designed. Others want to argue that they should have the right to keep assault rifles in case they need to defend themselves from our own government. Really? Sounds like too many movies to me. Yet others say it is just our right to have them, so it should be so. Again, not really valid in my opinion. We have a right to bear arms. That does not open the floodgates as to the type of arms we may posess. High capacity magazines and assault rifles really have made it easy for mentally ill people to kill in large numbers. It has often been the weapon of choice for "good" reasons. It is the most effective firearm for that purpose. Thank God those same weapons have malfuncitoned on several occasions or there would without argument have been many more people murdered. That is fact. That is good enough for me, and baffles me as to why it would not be good enough for anyone that has loved ones. I pray that none of you that are fighting so hard to keep your gun rights ever lose someone to one of the vary weapons you are so proud to defend. By the way, the only reason I am not allowed to drink and drive, is to protect you and your loved ones. I dont have any problem with that either. Just seems to make sense. I dont think my rights were trampled too hard there either. It wont keep everyone from doing it, but it certainly cuts down on the offenses.
I personally am not against regulating the sale of these weapons. I am willing to admit that maybe they are too easy to get at this time. However,they are not the problem as I see it. They do need to be kept out of the hands of the mentally ill or deranged. This is where education reforms on the subject come into play. I'm in favor of reform that requires gun education and safety classes for gun owners,as well as non gun owners. Maybe mom wont have weapons of this nature in a house with a person that is an obvious threat to society.
Great video, many people already doing these things Germ. Does this tragedy make me realize how easy it is to take life for granted? Definitely and I feel a lot of sadness for all 26 victims and families. Do I think Obama and other "leaders" are gonna step up and make actual changes that improve my safety or prevent horrific events like this in the future? I'm a pessimist, sorry. I mean no offense. AS far as AR and shotguns, both are extremly deadly and highly popular with the military and law enforcement. There are many twin tube shotguns or tube extended shotguns that can hold somewhere between 8-16 rounds. Combine that with the fact that each shell is spitting multiple projectiles they are extremely lethal weapons for close quarters combat. Arguing the lethality of one over the other is an exercise in futility. But theres no arguing the lighter recoil, lighter gun seems to be used more in recent events(might have somethig to do with media coverage though).
The thing that gets me is you've convinced yourself of the fact that somebody can kill more people with a type of weapon jus because it holds 30 rounds. Yes I understand what the m16/m4/ar15 was designed for I carried one plenty of times in the Marine Corps, but thank you for assuming I or anyone else jus wants a firearm bc it's cool. The funny thing is for 3 years in the Corps I was a embassy security guard at three different embassies abroad. And you know what our duty weapon was? A Beretta M9 and a Remington 870 shotgun. So I guess we woulda never stood s chances defending American lives overseas because all we had was a shotgun that no good for doin harm. Here's a little hint for ya the reason we used a shotgun as our main weapon was because most engagements that we faced were inside the embassy, which is actually the only place we were there to protect, so basically all we needed was a max effective range of about 50 yards. You get that with a shotgun very easily, especially with our rounds being 00 buck and slugs. So yes if this idiot was to walk into that school room or any place where range wasn't a factor you could very easily kill 20 kids. And all this knee jerk b.s. because of what firearm some pos picked up is to get rid of it is stupid. Any firearm is capable of doin the exact same thing but seeing as the media as more people including apparently yourself included scared to death of this scary black rifles that are no different from any other gun on the market in the fact the still will make you jus as dead. 30 round mags don't make it more dangerous when you can jus as easily reload a 10 round mag in about what 5 seconds tops and keep shooting jus as many people.
What I have never shared on this subject is that I lost a nephew from an "accidental" shooting. He was 12 when it happened. NO one ever blamed the 30-06. He was shot in the back by a 9 year old. The reason it happened was an irresponsible gun owner that had it loaded in a closet with very young children around and some knew nothing about guns. Especially the shooter. IMO,the gun is not to blame. However,the irresponsible gun owner was but no charges were ever brought up,I feel they should have been.
I'm not a doomsday prepper. I'm not a sky is falling type of guy. I'm not one to Argue the design of weapons and what they are intended for. I am one to say pistols kill 10 times the people than all long guns combined. I am one to point out they do so in areas that already ban said weapons. I will own an AR15 soon. Always wanted one, for both recreational shooting, predator Hunting, and the fact I think they are cool. Tomorrow is my birthday and I plan to spend the majority of the day locating one to purchase ASAP. I will no longer have that right soon, and it will only set the stage for my benelli and .45s to be next. Everyone has half serious threats to leave the country. I have nothing tying me down, and in 2 years will have a doctorate that allows me to practice world wide. It may seriously be an option for me in a few years depending on where we are heading as a country. British Columbia may be calling to me. I'm not against waiting periods, paperwork, etc to purchase weapons... I am against people who have never handled firearms legislating those of us educated on the matter on what we can own legally. I think most of the worst case scenarios won't be passed, only proposed to gain power by the left to be able to blame anything from that point forward on the right regardless on the actual cause of future events. God forbid the day a kid decides to stab someone to kill them and our pocket knives are next. Oh wait...
I do see your point of view and I don't think there is anyone on this site or around the world that doesn't feel incredible sadness for this cowardly act and need solutions. Yes the AR and several other setups were made specifically for warfare BUT I think the question needs to be asked why did the forefathers of this country feel such a strong need to put the Second Amendment in place? Has the world and its governments changed so drastically since its implementation that we never need to exercise this right?
The reason we are not allowed to shoot people is to protect us and our loved ones. But people still do it so the answer is to start banning guns. Perhaps the answer to the many, many more acolohol related deaths is to start banning alcohol. We can just ban hard liquor for starters since it is easier to get drunk with that and it is the alcohol of choice for drunk drivers. If people still drink and drive then we can ban wine. If that doesn't solve the problem then beer would be next. See where I am going here, Fletch? I know you are not a fan of the "slippery slope" and I am not the way it has been used in recent years as a scare tactic but there is truth to it. Lets say all AR's are banned and then the next incidents of mass shootings involve semi-auto hand guns. Well, we don't need those for any real purpose. You can protect yourself with a revolver, hunt with a revolver, target shoot....you get the idea. Same logic, same argument can be made against certain calibers next. While I am not a fan of the way the "slippery slope" has been used, it is real and, if I were an anti, it is how I would work to achieve my ends.
Good post. Go to D1cks Sporting Goods Facebook page an you will see plenty of reasons why many people should not even be involved in a converstaion about guns or gun control laws. The more I look at some stats on it I can't get over some of the numbers about 1 out of every 20,000 guns in the USA is used for a homicide but the guns and clips are the problem. OK, that makes sense. Guess the 19,999 guns not used for homicides didn't get the memo. Another thing, I have asked many co workers that aren't anti gun per say but they don't like them or own them what they would do if faced with an armed individual meaning to do them or their family harm(at home, in public, wherever). To a person, everyone responds with take cover/hide and call the police. I then ask why call the police? Answer, so they can come stop the person/protect us. I then ask how are they going to do that? They generally realize where I'm going with it about now and I say you so you call the police to come protect you with their guns? What kind of guns do you think they'll bring? Pistols, shotguns, and AR style guns right? So it's ok for the police to protect us or themselves against the criminals of the world with these weapons but I have to validate/explain why I might need such a weapon to protect myself or my family. The fact of the matter is the police don't wanna be outgunned and I get that, I don't wanna be outgunned either.
A couple cites in Texas just passed a law where Teachers can carry concealed into the classroom. I guarantee that is one school that will not get shot up for twenty minutes. The shooter will be "DRT".
Lets play Hooker's pretend game for a minute. If I lock you in a room full of zombies, do you want me to hand you a shotgun with 16 shells, or an AR15 with a full 100 round magazine? Obviously, if you have any common sense at all, you are going to grab the AR and start mowing down zombies. Why? Because it was specifically designed for that purpose and it best suited for mass killing. Or, if I give you a 10 second head start running across an open field, would you rather I was shooting at you with a shotgun with 16 shells or an AR with a 15 shot magazine?? Bruce....Alcohol is a drug. There are plenty of drugs that I am not allowed to posess. In fact, it is illegal. So, that kind of deflates the slippery slope argument.
Yes, I take the AR. ... but, close me off in a room and give me a choice of a shotgun with 100 rounds and I choose that hands down. Again, I take the AR. ... But I'd rather have my .270 with it's 5 round clip (and maybe my 2nd clip).
I agree on both counts. But you get the point. A little easier to hide and carry 100 rounds for an AR than for a shotgun also. Not to mention that cumbersome reloading hassle.
