Point being it's up to the consumer on whether they want to knowingly purchase from a company when their business morals are questioned.
Yes, I saw them. An hour before Hawk made their post as we were driving home Graf and I were discussing how they were a blatant ripoff of Hawk products, much like Muddy ripped off HSS and Redneck the year before.
Would you say they look "Exactly" like the Hawk products? Just curious if you think they are being made by the same company or are there differences that would lead you to believe they are just copied and manufactured by another company? Just a curiosity question really. I'm just really intrigued as to whether or not the supplier is under cutting Hawk or if Muddy is out right copying the Hawk products.
Sorry ShaneB22, did not mean to dislike that post don't know how that happened just noticed it now. Fixed it
They're not identical products with a different color. There is enough difference to see they're being made in separate factories. However there's no question they are a blatant ripoff of the Hawk design with zero changes or improvements.
Well that pretty much answers the question. I have to say, I'm just not a fan of these investment groups buying up and consolidating brands like what happened with Muddy. I think Muddy was a pretty solid company in the past, but I have a feeling the people that used to call the shots aren't calling the shots these days.
Honestly, nothing surprises me anymore. Muddy always struck me more like an API type of company that really didn't innovate or come up with unique products and just knocked off existing products. Plenty of companies that just offer products they don't design, etc. You never know. The way global supply chains work these days, the parent company may have sold the original design to Hawk and then outsourced a cheaper made version, for example to Muddy. Parent companies doubles their profits. Its sort of like how you can buy Frosted Flakes from Kellogs for 5 dollars a box and buy Frosty Flakers from an off brand for 4 dollars, but they are all made by the Kellogs umbrella of owned companies.
I noticed the seat last year. People have been raving about how comfortable Millenium seats are and they copied it. I thought the very same thing about the hay bale blind when I saw it a little while ago on here. Wow! No shame at all!
Very true, if you look at the very first stands that muddy ever sold, they were identical to the Loggy Bayou stands from years before. I think I bought like 6 of the loggy's for about $65 each when they went out of business. Not sure if muddy bought them out or what happened.
see what trump started. calling people out is what this country needs. political correctness and not hurting somebodys feelings is out the window. when something is not right it needs to be voiced no matter what people think. if people cry because of something said then hand them a tissue and tell them to man up and get over it. I was once told that a product had to 7 different features to not be in patent violation. that tree arm doesn't have 7 from what I can see. but this is all speculation about if there is a patent on this product or not. has anyone seen if muddy has replied to hawks statement?
The 7 features is not accurate for patent infringement. Hawk can complain all they want if they do not defend the patent in court they have nothing to complain about.
Or they can do exactly what they did and start a social media frenzy. It will hit Muddy in their pocket book either way.
I just don't understand why Big Game/Muddy would choose to copy, verbatim, hooks of all things. Sure they're neat items by Hawk, but its like they designed rockets here. Its a hook to hang crap on. As I said. I love my Muddy Safeguard. When I bought it, it was the best harness available in my opinion, for they way I use one. I tried a bunch of others and they were way too bulky, etc.. I wear my harness under my outer layers and needed something that you didn't even notice was on you. Muddy fit that perfectly. But I will say that this is a huge hit for Muddy if social media takes hold on this, especially if the other companies they copied get more vocal about it.
The problem is consumers don't care, they will think I can get the same this for less $ and not give a second thought about the company that did the original design.
