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Has anyone taken the 650 challenge?

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    This is the range where I'm shooting. The distances were 20, 30, and 40 yards. The next set of pictures will be of the paper tune test.
     
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    The arrows paper tuned well. I didn't do it any more than twice because they tuned as well as my normal st axis arrows.
     
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    At 20 yards, there was a darn near negligible difference in point of impact. These were two separate shots.

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    At 30, I began to see quite a bit where the weight made a difference. Notice though that my left and right were still good, which means that the actual flight itself was good, but the weight brought the arrow down a tad. *Again two different shots*

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    40 yards is where it had me thinking of how far my bow would be able to shoot this arrow. Since I hunt in Wyoming, I've been told that it's reasonably expected to shoot 60+ yards when spot and stalking. *Again two different shots*

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    I probably posted this first, but here was my set up that I described in an earlier post:

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    $260 according to the website ($129.95 for six)

    If you take the 650 challenge and order a dozen within 30 days, they'll apply the $50 to the order, so you'll be paying $210

    Pretty hefty price tag.
     
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    Thank you! Hefty for sure! 40 yard shot defiantly has a lot of drop...Im assuming you were using the 40 yard pin you set with your normal arrows correct? Didnt think it would be that much of a difference. But, as a whitetail hunter, I dont think id shoot past 40 myself, so might not be a big deal to me.
     
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    Resight and forget. The only difference that matters is the miss difference from a sighted in pin at a specific distance.

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    so you think it's worth it to order? i'm still deciding.
     
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    yep, didn't change a thing for my set up so i could compare it to how the grizz's fly compared to my st axis.
     
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    Thats purely up to you but I wouldn't spend that much for arrows to hunt with. you can shoot 150+ gr broadheads on axis arrows with 75 gr brass inserts and get the weight up there pretty easily (mine are 500 gr) plus you have easton quality which is the best in the business.

    You can't compare these arrows with yours without resighting and checking the drop difference at different yardages. The larger diameter alone gives a false reading.

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    This is why I'm saying resight and forget. 300 gr Red fletch was sighted in and shot at 40 and 45 with 40 yard pin. 500 gr yellow fletch was the same.40 and 45 yards. Notice the miss difference is very small.
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    Im a bit slow...can you explain what you mean by "miss difference"? If it is what I think it is, meaning if you judge the distance wrong, looks real bad to have heavy arrows lol. But I already figured thats the case.
     
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    Let me add, the difference between the sight in pin was huge. But that is irrelevant when using a pin and you have a releative idea of the yardage.

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    i didn't shoot both my different arrows side by side. i didn't re-sight.

    what did you mean about the false reading regarding the larger diameter?
     
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    also, the reason i didn't resight was so i could see the drop difference at the different yardages.

    you might need to school me on how to better conduct this test so that the findings make more sense.

    i'm a little confused at the moment. =)
     
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    The miss difference is how much drop(or how high) your arrow is when you misjudge the distance.

    When you misjudge 5 yards at 40. It really doesn't matter if your shooting 300 fps or 230 like my arrows in the picture. Both result in really low hits. There was only a couple inches difference in drop and that was 70 fps.


    I mis spoke earlier, the red fletch is 300 fps but only about 280 gr or so.

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    larger diameter will hit higher than a smaller diameter. This will mean that you won't see the difference in impact point until you overcome that point of aim difference.

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    The best way to do this test is to sight in at 40 with the current arrow and shoot at 45 and measure the miss.

    Do the same with the heavy arrow.

    This will tell you what will happen in the field when you misjudge the yardage.


    It's different if you use 1 pin, then the sight in equation between heavy and light changes drastically. Where you are sighting in at 20 for a light arrow, you may need to sight in at 27 for the heavy to have similar effects in the field.

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