I would like to know: Why exactly is a baby (regardless of how it was conceived) more or less human? If we agree that it is human, then why should it be someone's "choice" to kill it? I am fairly Libertarian in my beliefs, and I generally think that the less government we have in our lives, the better. But this is not an issue of choice, it is an issue of killing innocent people. My wife is a social worker for an organization for troubled kids which, among other services, arranges adoptions. I know of more stories than I can recount of babies (now adults, living productive lives) who were conceived through rape. Many of them have sought out their birth mother to thank her for allowing them to live. I empathize with victims of rape, I pray for healing in their lives, and I hope the rapists are brought to justice. But I draw the line at killing another human being because of it.
I wish I was smart enough to write code into this thread for a LIKE button... What makes women so exalted as to have the sole moral authority on judging whether or not it is right to terminate a pregnancy? A woman's rights end the same place as a man's- when they infringe on another human being's rights. If an Unborn is a life, it is therefore entitled to said human rights. So here is THE question- whether the Unborn is or is not a life. If you say no, that life begins at birth, you endorse abortion on demand, etc; that position is a consistent one, and can be defended logically. One may or may not agree with it, but it is at least consistent. On the other side, if one agrees it is a life, then legally AND morally, it and its rights deserve protection and equal consideration in all circumstances; from conception through birth and beyond. These rights are only to be considered for denial if they in turn threaten the human rights of another (ie life and/or health of the mother.) Being unborn, the only avenue to deny said rights is to end that life; i.e. commit homicide. There is already legal framework in place to determine whether or not a homicide is justified. I am not making a moral analysis of this - only a legal one. The most basic civil and human right is to that of life. So again, the question is when does that life begin? In closing...another observation: It is curious to see how those who most ardently defend "a woman's right to choose" to end the potential life of an innocent Unborn are almost always the same people who would also deny that same woman's right to defend herself with a concealed weapon from someone with evil intent.
Pro Choice != favor abortion. It means that person or person's get to make a choice on what they want to do. They will answer for that choice with the big guy when they die. I would give them advice on my choice which would be not to abort.
believe me I'm very happy that she's here too. She's at school right now and may not see this, so I'll answer for her. Her mother sent pictures a few times, but got no response. Her mother gave her Christian names and had her baptized to show respect for the family who took her in. But her mother always calls her sachiko, which she uses as a screen name on another forum. (sachiko means "happy child" in Japanese)
Killing another human is not a "choice" that should be given to an individual over another INNOCENT individual. It really is killing and it really is that simple for me. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I317 using Tapatalk
A friend of mine was fostering a little girl for almost 2 years. Him and his wife tried to adopt her and the state of South Carolina would not allow it because his windows were one inch by one inch too small. They said it was a fire hazard. The child was given back to the mother who lost her again. Sent from my SCH-I605 using Tapatalk
But it is not an individual. It is a part of them. I understand no one will ever change your opinion on this. I'm not even going to try, as I'm entirely too conflicted on this issue to even attempt to debate this topic. It all comes down to what you believe defines "life". That is the debate.
That's you, not everyone else. Why should you or I get to push our values onto others? My belief is abortion is wrong in most situations, but this is my view.
For me it's murder, this is a value that our society deems wrong. Hook, youre right, im not changing my mind on this and I hope by injecting facts into this debate, more will come to realize the baby is a life that has a right to be protected under the law. The fact that the supreme court ever ruled in this case is a complete travesty to our constitution and judicial system. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I317 using Tapatalk
A lot of people view the beginning of life as the ability to survive separate from the mother, which would be around 22 weeks.
I do have a dog in that fight. I was with a woman and she had a abortion. I told her that she could go her separate way and I'll take the child. She went through with the abortion anyway. I moved everything she owned to the curb before she even made it to the clinic. I have know use for it except for danger to mother rape incest. Sent from my SCH-I605 using Tapatalk
shanr, you need to learn to use the quote function. But I do agree with your sentiment that it is total BS that the father has no rights when it comes to this.
I'll quote myself. Most abortions occur 5 weeks after this. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I317 using Tapatalk
I tried using the quote button. Must have some more learning to do. Sent from my SCH-I605 using Tapatalk
Yeah I get it. But before 22 weeks, the baby could not survive outside the mother's womb, thus the debate.
