I agree, even though I've been biting. This subject is extremely serious and should, imo, be above the trolling. I am glad to see the shift in America and seeing more against abortion than for it. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I317 using Tapatalk
This is definitely an issue that is not black and white, there is grey areas as well. I do not agree with abortion in most cases, and it should never be used as birth control but to tell a woman that was raped she has to carry the baby to term is something I could not do. I also believe there are other situations that have been talked about with serious health issues that come into play that have to be considered as well. My wife had a miscarriage after 14 weeks and it was very hard to deal with at the time but I did not feel the same loss like when grand parents or my father in law passed.
Abortion is the most black and white (meaning clear cut; not racial) social issue I can think of. I have little respect for and a hard time understanding the "gray area" i.e. no spine approach to abortion. Either it is homicide, or it isn't. And yes, that even applies to rape and/or life of mother cases- a mother is presented with a choice: kill the unborn to protect the life/health (including mental health) of herself - in other words, a form of self defense. A (potentially) justifiable homicide, if you will. That being said, I can appreciate that people wrestle with coming to terms with their eventual perspective on this issue, as most do. I'm just not understanding of those that do evolve to a point and give up halfway there. That's intellectual and moral laziness. An unborn either is or is not a life, regardless of whether the physical act that caused the 2 cells from 2 different humans to fuse together was consensual or not.
When I was 20 something, I was 100% pro choice, but now that I've made my way into my late 30's (and 2 kids later) I find myself questioning my stance and gun to my head would probably vote prolife. PT, I will however disagree with you on the birth control issue. I firmly believe that sex keeps a couple close, if you tell them they can't use birth control then after they feel they've had enough children, they are going to quit having sex for fear of getting pregnant. Thus eliminating that level of intimacy that most couples need in order to maintain a healthy relationship. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Beat me too it.... It is either a life and killing or it isn't... No inbetween Jay, I am FOR birth control..... Not sure where you saw me say different?
I love when men discuss this topic. unless any of you who have posted already are either a woman member or the significant other of the male member. You don't have a dog in this fight. but I get it, everyone wants to hear themselves speak.
I am not sure you understand what the word hypocrite means. I don't take sides in this argument because I am not a woman. Therefore I have never given birth, had a child, an abortion, even own a vijay jay. This decision lies with them. Because I know it's easy to make opinions from the cheap seats. I have that luxury. They do not. Most of us here, assumably, are not ladies in that they cannot do the above mentioned and yet some are very quick to make the decision for others (even though they have never been there and cannot go there either). and I am the hypocrite? i think you better look up the definition my friend. Ignorant maybe, but hypocrite no. To see that, you might want to look in the mirror.
I have my mother's permission to tell this story. When my mother was a teenager, she went to a party. Unknown to her parents, adult beverages were being consumed. This is not an unusual situation for teenagers. She didn't have very much to drink, but some of the boys got fairly drunk. To make a long story short, three of them, took her into another room and raped her. There may have been a fourth. She kept her eyes closed and doesn't know for sure. She knew all the boys at the party. They were all from the neighborhood and of the same ethnic group. She didn't tell her parents what had happened. In time she realized she was pregnant. When she told her parents, they insisted she have an abortion. She refused. They told her she was a disgrace to the family, packed up some of her clothes and threw her out. Not knowing what to do, she went to the house nearby of a friend, a girl she knew from school. They happened to be Caucasian and Catholic. They took her in. I guess they arranged a guardianship or something. shortly afterward, the father was transferred to Michigan and they took my mother with them. I was born in Michigan. My mother was 15 when I was born. After I was weaned, she went to a judge and tried to get emancipated so she could go to work. Instead the judge had her put on welfare, housing, subsidized day care, etc., and got her job with a friend who owned a restaurant. When she turned 18, she got a job in a restaurant with a bar. (Much better tips.) She worked six days a week from 6PM to about 2AM to raise me. The baby she refused to abort is married, has given birth to two daughters, and is a Ph.D. candidate in biology. If mama had agreed to an abortion, it would be me who would not be here. I would be in a landfill somewhere around Los Angeles. May The Sheep Be With You
How do you not see that THIS IS a side???? Hence your statement, statements now, are hypocritical. Why do I have to be a woman to protect the innocent, unborn life???? Explain...
Men are human being's as well as the unborn. There is no 'choice" in the matter. A woman should not be able to decide to end anothers life. Pretty basic, men do have a say. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I317 using Tapatalk
The question was what was your thoughts. I feel there is a grey area depending on circumstance so I gave my opinion. It did not say what is dnoodles opinion on this. If you feel it is black and white for you that is fine that does not make it black and white for every one!
