I almost agree with you on this. Almost. My take on it is that violent criminals should be removed from the gene pool immediately. Enforce this for a while and I'd be willing to bet that you'd see a huge drop in violent crime. I've never understood the "more gun control" stance. The only people it would have any impact on are the law-abiding citizens, and that impact would come from two distinct directions. First, they would be the only ones who would follow the law in the first place and second, they would be come, evermore increasingly, victims of violent crime. On a different note (not to be too nit-picky), David actually killed Goliath with Goliath's own sword. The rock from the sling did do a lot of damage though.
I wasn't disagreeing with you. I was just pointing out the obvious that merely passing legislation does little to thwart crazies. This nut job seriously believed he was "The Joker?" I am not sure a new law would do much to disuade him from his delusional tendencies. So here's the fly in the ointment. Let's pass a law, all assault type weapons and high capacity clips are hereby and henceforth made illegal for private citizens. Let's hear your plan to collect them. Let's hear your plan to prevent their manufacture. Let's hear your plan to stop them from being sold. What will you do with all the prisoners gathered for failing to comply. All that has been done before by the way... the result...Pre-WWII Germany, USSR, Cuba, North Vietnam. Long term Marshall Law would be required and we would all be living in occupied territory, likely for the rest of our lives... I am not saying you are wrong... I am just saying, it is unlikely to be successful. I was at the Ol' Smokey Moonshine Factory this past weekend and one of the points they made was how prohibition actually increased the use of, not only illegal alcohol production but legal alcohol production and consumption as well. Bottom line is Americans will not be told what to do privately for long. Again I am not disagreeing with you. I have no idea what someone wants with a military type rifle such as an AR-15. I have a BAR that I hunt with. I love it but I could easily increase the capacity of the clip with a few lawn mower parts. We can't even buy cough syrup now for crying out loud because someone figured out how to make crystal meth with it. We used to buy Ammonium Nitrate for our garden but can't get it anymore. I can't even buy sevin dust to control bugs in my garden any more. Where does it stop? My heart goes out to the victims and their families, but seriously, the only way to get such weapons removed "initially" and certainly "permanently" would be quite unpalatable. I have no real words to deal with your "what if scenario." I am just enormously thankful at this point for what did not happen.
No it does not stop crazies, but it would go a long way if gun owners stood up and supported the banning of high capacity clips.
High capacity magazines make it easier for evil and twisted minds to commit mass killings. They simply make it easier. And the upside to owning them is???? They are a lot of fun?? Driving a sports car 100 mph on the interstate might be fun for some guys. But, its illegal. Have the speeder's rights been trampled? Will we lose all driving rights next?
Explain that. What does “it would go a long way” mean? Not just platitudes and bumper sticker slogans but in depth. You took the time to type that out so I assume you can explain what “Go a long way: means if gun owners “Stood up” and supported banning high capacity clips. How would that be carried out? Can you lay out the details on a national level?
High capacity magazines were illegal at one time and I must have forgotten about our country falling under martial law with mass hysteria. You simply would have to make them illegal and make the penalty for posession of them very stiff. That eliminates all the rest of your example being a problem and somewhat "limits" the ease of some crazy getting his/her hands on one. My point is, if it could prevent ONE mass killing, that's enough for me having my gun rights limited.
What would you set as the max capacity of magazines available to the public? Can I by two of them and tape them together and have two more tapped together on my belt? Would you ban the manufacture of such magazines or just the sale? Mass shooting are very rare. In this case 12 people were killed. 10,839 people died in alcohol-impaired-driving crashes in 2009. What would you ban in this much more deadly activity???? This whack job killed 12 people in CO. In Chicago, 40 people were shot in one day last Labor day weekend. I don’t know if any of them involved high capacity magazines but I doubt it.
12 were killed because his rifle jammed. How many more families could be planning a funeral right now? People that drink and drive go to jail or prison depending on the number of offenses. There are harsh penalties that make a lot of folks call for a ride or quit at two drinks. Without question, drinking and driving laws save lives. One thing is for sure, the ones that are locked up arent killing innocent people. Thanks for a great example.
Because the stiffness of the death penalty for the kid in CO was not stiff enough. All manner of laws were in place to keep him from doing what he did. He was a scofflaw. Laws mean nothing to him. He does not value human life. There is no law written by man that can make him value that. Making them illegal only means he has to suffer more for his craft but he will find a way. This saddens me that an American would suggest such a thing. Those who would trade liberty for security, deserve neither.
So how's the weather on Mars? Gun owners leading the way in limiting gun owners rights? Wow... never would have thought of that.
OK, I will ask again. What would you set as the max capacity of magazines available to the public? Can I buy two of them and tape them together and have two more tapped together on my belt? Would you ban the manufacture of such magazines or just the sale?
I wonder how many people in that theater with carrying permits and beating themselves up for not carrying that night I hope they don't keep talking about this Ahole. Just let him rot away.
Zackly; Ever told a child not to touch something hot? You may as well go get the Neosporin. Except mine of course. It's one of the natural laws. And for a true nut job, their suffering is actually part of their ecstacy. They get to relive the moment, every time they are reminded of the suffering they have caused others. It's like a drug. Ever heard of Charles Manson?
I'll bite. How about 5 for a max? Too few? You want to have more shots between loading at the range? I dont know what would make sense, I guess that would be up for debate. But, 100 is surely too many in my opinion. And that's all it is, my opinion. Maybe there would need to be a limit on the number of rounds on your person?? Maybe it should be illegal to carry multiple loaded magazines?? Again, up for debate. Or, have a note from your parole officer that allows you to tape them together? If the ownership of high capacity magazines was illegal, I likely would not want to make a living manufacturing them. I dont see too many ammuniton manufacturers making lead waterfowl loads. I guess you could easily make them illegal to manufacture and/or import, but probably would not need to. It is illegal for me to shoot fireworks in Iowa. They are much more difficult to find here, and the incidence of people being treated for injuries in the E.R. drastically decreased. So far, I have lived a fairly fulfilling life without them. Maybe we should be allowed to posess 5? Or, maybe tape bundles of 5 together?
My opinion is there need be no limit. I’m secure in that my opinion will long be upheld before your 5 round opinion will be enacted. (and rightfully so) So you would right now make most handguns illegal as many have higher capacity magazines than 5 rounds. A “6 shooter” would be illegal in your world. I find that un-American but since you bring it up. You need to name a limit. I find that un-American but since you bring it up. You need to name a limit. So you admit this is just folly? You are happy to trade freedom for what you deem safety from yourself. How un-American.
Yes instead of one dude shooting we now have 5. In my CCW class we were taught not to shoot in crowds. We did not cover a smoke filled dark theater with people running for their lives. Will have to add that one.
To me? ref: "gun owners stood up and supported the banning of high capacity clips." You referred not to guns but to clips as I understood it. IMO They are not likely to support any "gateway" legislation in large numbers. Again I don't get their sense of needing the extra clips but I do understand the element of their thinking that it is the first step toward giving up their ownership rights completely.
