Though Germ wanted to, I decided not to jack the Hail thread. Maybe you're "Green" initiatives aren't what they're cracked up to be, eh Gary? http://news.discovery.com/earth/hot-wind-farms-120429.html Alternative energy will be needed some day, but until it becomes cost effective, practical and safe.....DRILL!
Ive built powerline for wind farms. And here is my .02. If you cant stand a couple degree increase in temp then dont build your house right under a wind turbine!
Lol, I saw that and had a good laugh. It makes complete sense, again where did I state wind was the answer? What's funny is we could post thousand articles about how fossil fuels are changing our climate and all will be Refuted as not enough evidence, but read one about a .02 temp change with wind and look out.
Massive wind farms are not the answer. Im not arguing with any one but. The small vertical generators that can be mounted on your roof would sure cure alot of our electrical demands. Solar is almost too oversized to really be pertinent for home use.
I don't believe for one second that the use of wind farms could increase the temperture at regional scale or a global scale for that matter. I see no mention of them looking at other wind farms around the country? Not sure how they can come to that conslusion based on one local.
Friends of mine live here in Ely completely off the grid. 90% of their energy & heat is produced through solar. It is suplemented with 6 gallons of gas, 300 gallons of propane and 3/4 of a cord of wood per year. ... it's really pretty cool
They use small fans to save crops from freezing. So a bunch of big wind farms certainly could reproduce that effect in a much larger area. Personally, I think the wind farms are great because they chop up birds of prey. I used to have hawks around all the time but they're now a rare sight since they put up wind farms on three sides of me. Less hawks means happier chickens. Sure the wind farms kill tens of thousands of bats... but who cares about bats, right?
Alternate energy will never be a replacement for traditional sources. There is no way to store the power and they just can't produce enough power. I am a be advocate of nuclear energy and firmly believe every coal plant should be abolished. The key to having a green footprint is using less.
But Dan..... doesn't it feel so good to harness the earth's natural power? Sent from my SCH-I500 using Tapatalk
This sounds safe "The oil production from Alberta's tar sands produces large volumes of waste in the form of mine tailings (six barrels of tailings per barrel of bitumen crude oil extracted). This slurry of water, sand, fine clay and residual bitumen– is stored in vast wastewater reservoirs, misleadingly called "tailings ponds." Collectively these pools of waste cover more than 50 km and are so extensive that they can be seen from space. One tailings pond at the mining operation is held in check by the third-largest dam in the world. These tailings dumps leak into the groundwater system and the surrounding soil and surface water." Yummy. There is nothing politcal about this issue, this is about leaving a planet my kids and their kids can live and prosper on. The issue is no one in this Generation wants to pay the price to do what is right, because it will be painful. This is not about (left or right), it's about doing what is right. Are we going to solve this problem in my life time? My guess is no. Should we not invest right now in alternatives to find an answer? Are we still going to drill? Hell yes and I would vote for the pipline from Canada to be built. I would much rather give my money to a Candian then Arab. What cracks me up are the post about the crazy weather and how shocked people are. Really? If anyone is shocked we are going to get more severe weather, well I guess you have been without media or refused to listen. There is nothing politcal about this issue and if you think there is, well that is a BIG part of this countries issue IMO. Dan if you think drilling for oil is safe, which leads to the refinery of oil in to gas and other products. Would you move within a 1 mile radius of a Oil Refinery?
*sigh Germ, you seem pretty ignorant of the oil industry and the so-called "man-made" global warming.
*sigh Someone who has a different view of that matter is ignorant from yours. How about it, would you move next to an oil refinery? Breathe the fresh clean air
Show me where I said that. I didn't. My issue is that we are jumping the gun on alternative energy at a cost to the American people. Technology is rapidly advancing and alternative energy will be the answer, some day.....and probably some day soon. Until then, drill here and keep the American economy growing, instead of slowing it down with high fuel prices and unnecessary regulations. You want money spent on researching alternative energy correct? Unfortunately right now a lot of money is being spent on subsidizing companies that are currently producing expensive alternative energy. Its a complete waste of taxpayer money and, again, taking money away from research and development of new cost effective energy sources. An example is the joke of a vehicle you were talking about purchasing, the Volt. Until the day comes when American's don't have to suffer because of high energy prices and our money isn't wasted on propping up an industry that is slowing down the progress of this great country......DRILL!
So.. let me get this straight. Not continuing to grow a 100 year old industry (oil) is slowing down the progress of our country... and advancing science is slowing it down? Just trying to clarify.
sure, If I had to I work in refineries all the time. I've ran air monitoring programs at refineries. I've collected groundwater samples directly within the refineries. I know what type of emissions they are putting off on a daily basis, and they are far from harmful.
There you are Mike! I'm saying use what we have that can be cost effective instead of wasting money on subsidizing expensive alternatives, such as wind farms, when their technology isn't cost effective. That taxpayer money could and should be better spent on researching ways to make the new technologies cost effective. If they can't be, find other ways.
Dan I apoligize I mis-read your line here, my bad. I should have not, I am sorry. Dan if we don't not start trying now. we may very well be in trouble. What is going to be the greater price? Spending money now or going to far we cannot recover? The issue is we want an answer now, a fix now. It's not going to happen, there is no silver bullet. Alternatives energy is never going to be cost effective or safe until we invest and dind out what works. We did not build an Oil enconomy over night, nor did we do it without spending some cash, making mistakes and learning.
