Below if from the NYDEC in all their infinite wisdom..... Broadheads with mechanical blades are legal for big game if the blades do not form a barb or hook when the arrow is pulled from the flesh of a deer or bear. Most mechanical broadheads have a barbed profile when in the expanded (open) position. However, mechanical blades are legal if the blades DO NOT form a barb or hook when the arrow is pulled from the flesh of a deer or bear.
Yes they are legal. The blades pivot forward like the rage in the picture. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Take a lat this picture guys....and tell me how based on the DEC description you think they are legal?
This is with the blades rotated forward so they can be pulled back without hanging up (not barbed). Here's a pic of them during normal penetration now look at the picture mike posted and compare the rage pictured with the killzone. They are both in the same position. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Negative, except when you pull the broadhead out the direction of entry they blade pivot back wards, and after doing so they they no longer pivot. They are now fixed and fixed angle can be considered barded based on their discretion. Compare that to say a Rocket Steelhead or NAP Spitfire and you will see the difference.
Fixed angle is barbed only if less than 90 degrees to the shaft at back of blade, which would be harder to withdraw from an animal. If 90 degrees or more, it is legal. Since Killzones pivot on withdrawal, they are legal. I shoot Killzones here in NY, and as far as I can see, they are legal. http://forums.bowhunting.com/bowhunting-talk/32340-nap-killzone.html
If you were withdrawing this head from the same direction it originally went in, and the blade pivoted all the way to the position that the picture shows and can no longer pivot w with pressure still being applied to it.. can someone explain how it isn't barbed at that point?
As stated above. It's considered barbed if the angle from the ferrule to the back of the blades creates a less than 90 degree angle. I'm the picture that angle is well over 100 degrees, hence they are not barbed. It's not based off the blades being in a fixed position it's either or not they create an acute or obtuse angle when withdrawn. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
It clearly makes reference to being pulled from flesh. Verbatim Barbed broadheads are illegal for hunting big game. A barbed broadhead is one in which the angle formed between the trailing or rear edge of any blade and the shaft is less than 90 degrees. Broadhead examples on the right compare one that is barbed to three that are legal. Broadheads with retractable blades are legal. Broadheads with mechanical blades are legal if the blades DO NOT form a barb or hook when the arrow is pulled from the flesh of a deer or bear.
Ok, I understand that. But when pulling it from flesh the angle is greater than 90 degrees. My geometry sketchbook is showing reflex angles and I can't change that but still illustrates my point. The 226 degree reflex angle in the photo means that when withdrawing from flesh it has a 134 degree angle. Which is greater than 90. Upon normal penetration it is around a 60 degree blade angle (298 reflex) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
If the original angle was measure from wear the bottom of the blade met the shaft, why aren't you measuring the inverse? hence the junction of the blade and the ferrule?
Because that is not the side contacting the flesh when it's withdrawn. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
the law doesn't say that, nor does the illustration to published buy the DEC. It shows clearly the angle being measured from the ferrule to the blade tip. It then clearly states" Broadheads with mechanical blades are legal if the blades DO NOT form a barb or hook when the arrow is pulled from the flesh of a deer or bear."
