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Fed leaves interest rate alone AGAIN

Discussion in 'The Water Cooler' started by BJE80, Sep 17, 2015.

  1. Mo_bowhnter

    Mo_bowhnter Die Hard Bowhunter

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    Decent piece on why interest rates should go up. (Copy and paste from pdf I get weekly.)

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    You couldn’t have missed it. Only stages full of GOP presidential candidates or the Super Bowl have ever had more media attention. Yes, we are talking about the Federal Reserve’s thundering announcement on Thursday – of nothing. The Fed decided to keep interest rates at zero, for at least the next few months, after holding them near zero for over six years.

    In one sense, this is a non-event. We have been in this same spot for quite some time. In spite of three rounds (and $3.6 trillion) of Quantitative Easing and very low interest rates, the US economy remains in a Plow Horse, lowinflation recovery. Japan has been doing QE for decades and its economy isn’t growing, while the European economy is weak and its stock markets are down since QE II started back in March.

    In other words, all the gnashing of teeth about the Fed seems like a huge waste of time. This is especially true when we consider the fact that raising interest rates wouldn’t be actually changing monetary policy at all.

    Over time, investors have been confused (as happens during a street-side shell game) about what monetary policy really is and how it works. Many people have come to believe the transmission mechanism of Fed policy is interest rates, but this isn’t true and never has been.
    Monetary policy works as the Fed adds or subtracts reserves from the banking system, and by adding or subtracting reserves they are able to increase or decrease “aggregate demand” or what we can think of as “total spending.”

    When a counterfeiter puts more money into a neighborhood, the economy gets a temporary pop. When the FBI takes the money away, it slumps. The reason QE never worked as advertised is that when the Fed “printed money” in exchange for bonds, the banks that sold the Fed the bonds held the money in “excess reserves.” The neighborhood never spent the counterfeiter’s money. The Fed’s balance sheet has grown 26% annualized over the past seven years, but the M2 measure of money (total deposits in all banks) has grown only 6.6% per year.

    All those excess reserves are still out there, un- multiplied. That’s why all the crazy forecasts of hyperinflation, $5,000 gold and a collapsing dollar never came true.
    And here’s the rub. The Fed does not intend to reduce those reserves anytime soon, and would not have reduced them by one dime last week even if they had raised interest rates.
    Throughout history, when the Fed wanted the federal funds rate to rise, it withdrew reserves from the banking system by selling bonds to banks. Yes, interest rates would rise because liquidity was withdrawn, but the impact on the economy was from the slowdown in money growth, not the rise in rates.

    If the Fed would have raised rates last week, reserves would have stayed exactly the same. All the Fed would have done is announce that it was paying more to banks on excess reserves, as an enticement not to lend them. Every dollar of excess reserves would have remained in the system. A rate hike would not rip away the punch bowl, in fact the punch bowl would still be overflowing with excess reserves waiting for someone to slurp them up.

    In the past, when the Fed has raised rates, banks did not hold any significant amount of excess reserves. So higher short-term rates meant it was tougher for banks to acquire the funds they wanted to lend. Now, many banks are filled to the brim with excess reserves and are barely trading federal funds among each other.

    Sometimes they say, “follow the money,” but we suggest “follow the profits” to understand Fed actions that confuse you. So let’s do it. Right now the Fed owns $4.2 trillion in bonds which pay whatever they pay, while it gives banks ¼% on reserves. The “spread” generated a profit last year of roughly $100 billion, which the Fed then turned over to the Treasury. If the Fed would have increased what it paid banks on reserves to ½%, this would have reduced the Treasury cash inflow by about $7 billion over the next year and this money would have gone to banks. In other words, the Fed and Treasury have an incentive to keep rates very low so that their profits stay high.
    The biggest problem the US has now with its economic management team (including the Fed) is that it has spread the narrative that only QE and other government programs saved the economy during the crisis. We do not believe this one iota. In fact, we believe government rules forced Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to buy sub-prime mortgage bonds. That created the crisis. Yet, it serves government interests to blame it on banks and the private sector.

    This has helped create a cottage industry of Black-Swan birdwatchers. Instead of looking for an answer, they just claim 2008 was like a severe earthquake that wasundetectable. The pessimists create fear as they find a new Black Swan every week, which, for investors who believe this stuff, is terrifying. But they have also enhanced the narrative to include the idea that if the Fed raises rates, the only support for growth will be ripped away.

    This is also a misconception. Does anyone with common sense really believe that QE and zero percent rates invented the Apple Watch, or increased the efficiency of fracking, or created Uber, vertical farming, 3-D printing, the cure for Hep-C, or any of the other massively wonderful new technologies and inventions we have seen put in place in the past six years?
    The Fed does not cause real, long-term wealth creation. It never has and it never will. It either accommodates growth by printing the right amount of money, therefore avoiding deflation, or it prints too much money, which won’t stop growth but will cause inflation. It can cause harm by allowing the money supply to collapse, but once mark-to- market accounting was fixed in March 2009, that possibility evaporated.

    There is an argument running around that says if the Fed wouldn’t, or couldn’t, raise interest rates, then there must really be something wrong with the economy. This argument is sophomoric. It gives the Fed some kind of supreme, omnipotent power of knowledge that no one else has. But, other than private bank information and probably some foreign government secrets, the Fed has access to the same data that we do and none of it suggests the US economy needs zero percent interest rates. Initial claims have been below 300,000 for 29 straight weeks. And anyone who claims 173,000 new jobs is a clear sign of economic problems, especially in August (which is so often revised higher), is spinning the data.

    Yes, China’s growth has slowed to 7%, from 10.6%. So what? Japan collapsed in 1990 when it was the #2 economy in the world, and the next ten years were fabulous for US investors.
    All in all, what is really going on is that so many people think there are Black Swans flying around everywhere, and that the only way to protect the US economy from them is with an Uber-Dove. It looks like Janet Yellen has decided she is that Uber-Dove, despite a real lack of evidence that Fed policy has protected the US at all in the past six years.
     
  2. Spear

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    Regardless of what it is or whether it works wasn't the question. I brought it into the discussion because it's going to happen here when the economy collapses again. You said interest rates couldn't go any lower so we are merely showing you that they can, whether I agree with it or not doesn't matter. I was just offering you with something specific to research on since you didn't seem to think it existed. Web search it or not, if you don't want to look it up fine, no need to respond like that ^

    The New Frontier of Negative Interest Rates - Bloomberg View
     
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  3. Rick James

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    Mortgage rates have dropped a fair amount in the last week. They are the lowest they have been since 2013.

    I just put a contract on a house today. When I spoke with our mortgage broker earlier in the week rates were 3.68%, I managed to lock in today at 3.5% after a drop.

    For a buyer, things are pretty good right now..........houses are getting listed at a fair pace, but aren't moving super fast yet. And interest rates are super low. I suspect this summer the real estate market is going to be on fire in the local area. Hopefully the economy stays on the right path for a while and this doesn't pop.
     
  4. bradn4201

    bradn4201 Die Hard Bowhunter

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    They are actually the lowest they have been in percent of ther market since 2001. But you are right, good time to buy.
     
  5. tc racing

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    ask all the people at carrier if the economy is on the right path. 2100 losing their jobs. businesses in my area shutting down or laying off like crazy. not good. wait til ford leaves to mexico more jobs will be lost to foreign countries. I live in oil country and our unemployment rate is starting to skyrocket. having a good manufacturing job then have having to result to a minimum wage job is not an even trade of employment. this is the only reason the feds claim unemployment is down and the economy is good. but it is a lie! the economy is terrible! they shouldn't be raising any interest rates.
     
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    Agreed. I'm expecting negative interest rates to be one of the scenarios in the fed stress model criteria...the question will be how low.

    Two other thing thing that many don't seem to see:
    Global interconnectedness of the US economy. Japanese (and Sweedish) rates are already negative. Citi just released a paper that says it may be within a couple years for Canada to adopt negative rates and most of the EU is still a mess. China though rates are 6ish percent, has been volitile to say the least. India has lower rates but has other challenges. These are key counties that own our debt, provide goods and services we consume like candy (directly or indirectly) or are key economic trading partners.

    High(er) interest rates are not necessarily good. If your old enough to remember the 'Carter era'... if not, Brazil (the B of 'BRICs countries') was one of the 'hot' economies just a few years ago...well looks like they've overheated and now have 14-15% rates and about 10% inflation...
     
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    Oil is now too low. Sure gas is cheap but there are consequences . The Saudis plan is working.


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  8. Spear

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    Things will get pretty messy when the correction happens, then there will be inflation which will make things even worse. Consumers always end up as the victim too, regardless if you follow the rules and live within your means or not. We are headed towards uneasy waters, this is 20+ years of bad policy in the making.
     
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    What's the plan?
     
  10. tc racing

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    flood our economy with cheaper oil so we don't have to use our own expensive oil. and to overflow our surplus so we can't pump our own wells. no oil production = no workers to pump the wells = unemployment.
     

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