If the thread was about the two spined deer, I wouldn't care what you said about the people....as I would agree. All I keep saying is I get sick of people who assume **** and then spew off about it like they are some kind of god to the hunting world. i.e. Two comments about the original post. That's all I'm saying. Nothing more, nothing less. You're a smart man atlas...you can figure that out. Doesn't hurt me. I'm in total agreement that hunting brings out the scum of the earth.
Yes it is Crick! I can not wait to get this fella all cleaned up. I have been talking to a buddy that does woodwork and trying to get a special plaque made up to put a picture of the buck the way I found him under it. We will see what I end up with and I hope to have it all done here soon. We will see and there will be an update when all done.
Yes I will I have talked to my buddy that does wood work and he said he will see what he can do for me.
Agreed, I've lost a couple deer, it sucks, but it also happens, property lines and sometimes just plain bad luck can wreak havoc on a recovery sometimes. That's a part of hunting that he have to accept and learn to live with no matter how much we hate it. I shot a really nice 150 or so buck several years ago, had good blood for a hundred or so yards, then just little specs, around 350-400yds, NOTHING. I hit him high, I looked and looked, grid searched a couple sections of land. There were a hundred or more acres of woods, and a bunch of fields I searched, and one uncut 60 or so acres of corn, that I ran all around a couple rows in looking for any sign of blood, with none to be found. In the end, I surmised that the buck may have LIVED, later that year with my ankle in an immobilizer boot and WISHING I could hunt, I spotted a deer from the road while glassing fields in that area that looked very similar, not sure if it was him or not, but I still to this day think it may have been. After 2 days of my best efforts, I was unable to locate that deer, and anyone that would have told me I didn't do a good enough job of searching would have ended up with a broken jaw on that sunday night as I was driving home. I'll assume your first lost deer is just around the corner, and when it happens, I'd like to refer you to your post above...... I've lost a couple, I've made what I believed was a very good effort at locating them. Sometimes it just happens and if it hasn't yet happen to you, it WILL, and then that crow will be mighty tasty.
I get sick of seeing people who look at a picture of a truely great deer laying dead and rotten to the bones in the woods and then proclaim the only emotion such a sight conjures up is a sense of empathy..........not for the pointless killing of such a fine animal.......but for some random jackass we should all have blind compassion for simply because he "hunts". Perhaps only outdone by the buck killed by car threads where the masses chime in about what a "shame" or a "waste" it is that a hunter didn't get to kill him..........never a mention about anything other then how much "better" it would have been if a toothless, mouth breather had got to nail his antlers to the barn wall. This undying respect/admiration hunters profess for the game they hunt is nothing more then a joke. The vast majority of guys don't give a damn one way or the other..........our boards are filled every year with the "Shot one and lost him" out of pure stupidity threads and the gunners will send 5 shells at a crowd of running deer and not even go look if one doesn't fall down in sight. Hard to say which group is worse............99% of all of them seem to not care much either way so I can't help but feel the same way about them.
You'd be wrong. No problem..........the words I would have for myself would be a lot harsher then what I used here.......and you'll never hear me use the crutch of "Oh well, it's hunting man........it happens"
Well, then, I think you need a good dose of reality. Things happen, PERIOD, and when they do, we have to accept that they happen, and IF we can find a way to improve upon what we've done, then we need to find a way to do that. We (those of us here on this forum and many others) are the great minority of hunters who know a bit more about shot selection, tracking, archery, animal behavior, etc. I learned and taught a great deal of things to and from other hunters over the years, and the one constant that has never changed is that each and everyday, I strive to be a little better hunter and archer. And as much as it makes me sick, I'm also not perfect at either. I lost a deer earlier this year that I believed I missed, didn't find her that night that I shot her, and didn't make it back out to look to make sure I missed the next morning because of work. That deer only made it 80yds, but upon my inspection of the impact point that night, I found no sign that I'd hit her. The arrow blew straight through her, hitting a rock in the creekbed she was standing in while drinking. The arrow entered her perfectly, likely hit her heart, and exited about 1/2 way up her neck on a quarter away shot. She ran up a small rise, and out onto a flat and back down towards the bottom. I followed the trail she ran for about 25yds, finding NO SIGN at all that she'd been hit. Hindsight being 20/20, I don't know that I could change a thing. Upon finding her the following evening, her meat was rancid after being in the 70+ degree sun all day. But as I backtracked, I found only very small specks of blood, all the way to her, starting about 40-45yds into her death run. I never heard her crash, never found any sign, and even going back to the impact point, there was nothing for that first nearly 40yds. IT HAPPENS, whether we like it or not. I could have gone over that flat, and down into the bottom that night, but at that point, I didn't believe I'd hit that deer, I thought I'd missed her. Had I been shooting something like a Rage or Bloodrunner 3 blade, I may have known I hit her because I don't believe the penetration would have been so great that the arrow would have blown through her striking a rock and making only the sound of an arrow breaking, yet that is an uncontrollable variable that I have to accept. In striving for perfection, we also need to keep in mind what REALITY is, because without a healthy dose of reality, we may make ourselves very CYNICAL beings. I've been there, believe me, not in hunting or archery, but in my jobs, and in the end, I had to learn to accept some things which I was not able to and would likely NEVER be able to change. I passed up a perfectly clear shot on what I'd estimate to be about a 170" buck Saturday night at 46yds with his head behind a tree, and he being completely unaware of my presence because I felt that was too far a shot to be risking on such a majestic animal. Normally, at that range, I'm capable of that shot, however, I felt it a better choice to wait and hope he'd come closer. He didn't, and I feel completely okay with that as he didn't end up like the buck in this thread. Sunday morning just to see after I was done hunting, I put and arrow on the money on the shot I would have had, actually hit within about 2" of where I was aiming.... but at the same time, that was shooting at a leaf, to mark my spot, NOT an animal, and that was with no "stress" on me rather than with the stress of getting ready to make a shot on what would be the LARGEST deer I've ever killed. Variables play into EVERYTHING in life, I made the right decision not to shoot, and had I taken that shot as calmly as I did when I shot the leaf right where he'd been and killed him, I also would have made the "right choice." But as it was, I just didn't feel 100% confident in that shot at the time. Again, hindsight rears it's ugly head, however, Mr. Murphy did not get an opportunity because I didn't allow him to weigh in on this situation.
Seriously, do you argue with yourself in the mirror? When you read a thread or post and someone gives a little different opinion or asks you to think about something for a minute are you sitting there the whole time wondering how you can argue your point instead of thinking first? Do you even know what I said to you or what I'm asking of you? You, like many others, read only the parts you want. Is your attitude that combative in all of life? So anyways......Are hunters that naive to think that only we kill deer? Deer die every day from causes other than hunters. You know exactly what I'm saying Atlas, but you'll try to spin it and argue some more. Oh, before you start typing and picking out the parts of my post you want to hear......I'll say it again....I too have little faith in most of our hunting brethren.
I don't care for the "It Happens" excuse...........it's just total BS. Hunters die EVERY year from self inflicted wounds, falls from stands, and being shot by other hunters. Should we also just toss those stats onto the pile of "Oh well man, it's hunting-----It Happens" The acceptance of failure is a horrible attitude and mindset in or out of the woods. Some will ALWAYS pretend things are beyond their control to make themselves feel better about their failures. (None of this is directed at you BTW)
No, actually now I have no idea what you are saying.............you seem to be talking in circles but I'm sure that is somehow my fault.
