Thats terrible. Glad you put her out of her misery, but she shouldn't have been in that situation to begin with. I don't even consider people like that hunters, more like people that like to shoot animals just for fun. Glad you found the giant though, should make a good European mount
Here are the two slugs that came out of my buck! My slug is the one on the left "12 gauge" and the one on the right was in his upper leg area "20 gauge I am guessing"!
You should talk to my wife! I came home and vented on her! I was PO'ed really bad. It is why people think hunting is wrong because of stuff like that and I think that is why I was more PO'ed let alone that doe suffered.
I don't think I'm arrogant on the fact. I'm just coming the realization on how a lot of hunters are. I'm not saying it's a rifle or bow hunter or speculating in anyway. I'm just assuming the hunter took a shot, figured the animal ran away due to him missing and went on with his life. I have a friend who shot a buck 4 times with his rifle before it died to insure it didn't run away or survive. I will never hunt with him even though he bow hunts half the season and has great hunting land. Too many people don't understand animals and how tough they are or give them the respect they deserve for being a living animal. From what dawg has said I assume that a thorough search would have found the deer. I understand that a deer can die in a area that can appear to be obvious to outsiders that weren't part of the tracking job (my deer last year took my 30min to find him in the middle of a field behind some brush). But I found him and wouldn't have lett til I put a good effort in.
I think that part of the problem with most hunters is that if they dont find blood right away they dont search any farther. I think that was the case with the doe on the property where I hunt. Just because a deer does not bleed right away does not mean they did not die or bleed a little farther than what you searched. I tracked a doe I shot a few years ago for around 50 yards with very little blood drops then all of a sudden it was like someone opened up the garden hose. That doe changed my tracking efforts forever! They always dont bleed right away so I say do your best to find your animal.
Never said you, directly, were.....just said I wasn't. Hunt long enough and it will happen to nearly everyone.....just most won't admit it.
I'm trying to find where someone said it was "shot for no reason". If an animal is killed and left to just rot in the woods...........it was killed for no reason, plain and simple. Sugar coat it all you want but imagine the reaction someone would get on this site if they came out and said they just go in the woods and kill stuff just to kill it and leave it there to rot. "He didn't mean it" is an excuse that gets ZERO respect from me in reference to an unknown hunter.
Dawg, I'm hijacking your thread a bit. (arrr.. it's the pirate in me) That's a heck of a buck you found. Bummer that someone lost him. To Atlas.. People lose deer. It's particularly easy to do during gun season. It's hard to figure out just where a deer was standing when the shot was at 80-200+ yards. Couple that with a bad hit and the guy is not likely to find any sign that the deer was hit, much less a decent bloodtrail. I'm not excusing it... but I understand that it happens and I'm certainly not going to call everyone who loses a deer a moron. Jay, I also wouldn't say the hunter didn't deserve him unless I knew the story and could really say that with some confidence. Who knows what happened with that buck? Maybe it was shot on Sunday evening and the hunter thought it would be best to wait until Monday morning to track it. Monday we got a load of rain in Central IL. Could have washed away any sign. All sorts of crap happens in hunting. (Heck, I have a buck marinating somewhere in the river right now and there's pretty much nothing I can do about it... it's mostly just bad luck) I found this buck on Friday. We told the guy who leases the neighboring property about the buck and he was sure he knew who shot it. Was the hunter who shot it a moron or did he not deserve to get it? I don't know. I gave him the benefit of the doubt and gave it to him. He sure was happy. The hunter re-united with his buck.
damn those are big deer... that's all I have to say about that. oh.. and I think every post I read by Dan makes me laugh.. not from humor most times, but straight out plain truth.. That, or maybe it's the cookie or w/e he's eating.. lol
Always found it very strange how so many guys toss out this line as if that somehow makes it "OK". The lengths some guys will go (not you Dan.......just a general statement) to justify or rationalize their actions or lack there of is astounding at times.
You say that like it's something we shouldn't even give a second thought............the "Hey, man, it's hunting.........it happens" is about as rediculous as it gets. Imagine how someone who doesn't know anything about hunting would feel when you included that in your description. "Yea, sometimes we shoot 'em through the guts, ass, and legs and they just limp off to die slowly of infection.........or a slug might rip their jaw off and they will starve eventually" Something tells me that wouldn't go over too well.............and the "Hey, it happens" cover all excuse would sound even more rediculous. The hunter is 100% to blame for EVERY lost deer. The effort to avoid such cases is admirable in some........deplorable in most. See above. Again I think most people on these boards fall victim to believing some of the fine people we have come to know over the years are somehow a good example of the hunting community in general........they are not. Most hunters are tresspassers, alcoholics, thieves, and just plain low lifes............moron would be a compliment for most of the dregs of society that raid the woods each year with or without a license.
I never said, or ever will say, its "OK" to lose a deer.....but it is a fact and it does happen. I just have a hard time with someone sitting in front of a computer, logging onto a forum, seeing a picture of a dead buck that someone found and then calling the hunter who lost it a moron....without knowing the whole story. Hell, its not even a fact that it was hit by a hunter and lost. I find that "moronic." Carry on.
In case you missed it, you can join this thread if you want to talk about hunters being the scum of the earth. Its been hammered pretty good there. http://forums.bowhunting.com/showthread.php?t=17555
I was more so trying to imply that Dawg deserves the deer more. Being on his hunting team this year I've been around to read a lot of dawgs hunting storys from this year and know how much effort he has put into the woods and knows how he feels towards deer. I know that with him having it, that the deer will get respect. I agree with you that several things could happen as to where the deer could get lost, and I know I shouldn't just assume that the hunter didn't put in the effort. But with all of the dead deer found each year by other hunters, and me talking to local hunters around here, I just know that there are several people, and most rifle hunters (due to the nature of rifle hunting, nothing directly against rifle hunters) but if they don't see the deer drop in sight, or if they track it and lose blood for half a hour that they just give up. I personally think that rifle hunters aren't prepared for the track job like bowhunters are as bowhunters know tracking is a part of their hunt. Most rifle hunters watch the animal drop in sight, and if the aren't dropping right away they just keep on shooting. I know I'm generalizing pretty bad on rifle hunters, but it's just what I have been noticing lately. Also when shooting at a animal at 200+ yards it is tough to tell if you hit the animal, heck sometimes it's tough to tell if you hit them at 20 yards with a bow with all the movement that goes on and how fast things happen. But if you don't find blood right away it is easy to "assume" you missed and just go on with your life. The reason this stuff bugs me so much is last year I wounded a deer, it was my first ever shot on a deer and inexperience/panic got the best of me and I made a terrible decision. Where I hit him there was great blood, and was great blood for the first 75 yards, but after that it dried up and we spent the next 5 hours tracking him by one spot of blood every 20-60 yards. I ended up seeing him and bumped him up and saw I hit his leg. I spent the next 2 days searching the area and found nothing. I couldn't sleep right or even convince myself to shoot at another deer for over a month until I saw that deer walking through a field with a tiny limp but jumping fences fine. I just don't think most hunters give the animal the respect they need.
Trust me I've been there and done that myself. it's hard to look for something if you loose a blood trail and the deer is on someone else's property. You can't just start walking where ever you want to if there isn't blood telling you that it went on someone elses property. exspecially if its doing the 2010 WWIII (Shot gun season). I feel sorry for the hunter that lost this brute. I bet he/she thought they missed it or didn't get a good shot.
Amazing buck! Hopefully the person who shot it looked hard for it and just couldn't find it, though this may not have been the case. Anyway, congrats on the great find!
That's why I said "Not you Dan." I have a hard time with someone sitting in front of a computer, logging onto a forum, seeing a picture of a dead buck that someone found and telling me I should feel sorry for the jackass who killed it just to leave it rotting in the woods. It's even more rediculous considering it's based on the assumption that the guy who shot it even gives a damn. Geez man.......this thread even contains details of how TWO PEOPLE!!!! couldn't find a deer that was friggin spined. So tell me again (considering that doe laid there for days paralyzed) why we should all have blind faith in the inherent goodness of someone simply because they "hunt". I'll save my sympathy for the ones they cripple, maime, and kill just to let rot...........their hurt feelings (assuming they care at all) are pretty damn low on my list of things I am concerned with.
