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End the "War on Drugs", decriminalize ALL drugs

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  1. MnHunterr

    MnHunterr Legendary Woodsman

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    I actually did a little research after I posted that... Almost 50% of people pulled over for drunk driving had marijuana in their systems as well.


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  2. Hooker

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    That is exactly what the point of this thread is...to just keep doing your thing, and leave the everyone else alone
     
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    The Libertarian in me agrees with this statement. The part I have a hard time with is, using taxpayer money to pay for rehab for people who decide to start doing drugs and become addicted. I believe in free will, but I also believe you live or die with the choices you make.
     
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    trust me, I agree

    but if you're going to pay, and we definitely are, which would you prefer to pay for? Just locking them up in prison, or paying for actual help?
     
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    I will chime in here. The drug import problem is due to poor border control and terrible immigration laws. There will always be people who manufacture it here within the states but securing our borders and improving immigration laws will at least help prevent the drug cartels and huge drug wars seen in other countries from trickling onto our turf. With that said, our drug laws are nonsense. I think rather than jailing people they need to go through treatment. I would rather my taxes go towards putting somoene through treatment because addiction isn't simply because of access to drugs, majority of the time there is something mental behind it, whether because of horrific past events or depression. Putting someone in jail doesn't fix their mind, it simply takes away the access. Once they are out of jail they go back on the drugs. With treatment there's an actual chance they beat the addiction but also fix the underlying issue. I personally don't do drugs and don't like to associate with those who do, however, I can't say that alcohol is any better than drugs as it kills more people by means of liver disease or drunk driving. As a libertarian I don't care what other people do so long as it doesn't affect others. So do our current drug laws work? No. Is there a perfect solution? No. But there is a way to make better use of tax money to help alleviate the problem and give people a better chance of getting clean.
     
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    That is what they may think, but it has been shown that even small amounts of alcohol can cause impairment on some level.

    As the billboards say, "Buzzed driving is drunk driving."
     
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    Exactly. Not to mention all the others that will become victims by these wasted people.

    The world is a beautiful and fascinating place to experience with new discoveries everyday. Get high on it and not on creating chemical imbalances in your brain and be fascinated by a blank wall.

    Many people use drugs to escape the memories of their own F'up and lack of motivation or unforgiveness towards others.
     
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    It cracks me up when guys say they can have a few beers and be fine but one hit and you are stoned.... Think that has anything at all to do with you never smoking and having decades of tolerance built up for alcohol? Lol

    I drank w a girl this summer who honest to goodness was drunker than a skunk after one of those mini can limearitas...
     
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    How many users end up in prison?

    But, can I choose neither? I don't believe that sending users to prison is the answer and its a waste of money. I also don't believe in taxpayers paying for rehab, because it will be forced rehab and will be a waste of money. For someone to become clean, they have to want to go to rehab. Forcing people to go will be a failure.
     
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    Hey *******, I told you to stay away from my wife.
     
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    She had to be faking. Right?
     
  12. Hooker

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    If we are to believe the Portugal stats, forcing people into rehab has reduced their drug abuse problem by more than 50%.
     
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    "Reported " drug abuse. If they are no longer looking for it, they aren't going to catch it.


    You can't compare a country of 10.5 million to one of 320 million. As was pointed out earlier, they also have an unemployment rate of 16% .

    Our true unemployment already rivals that but using them as a model isn't exactly a good idea imo.


    It's only been effect in portugal for 12 years. That is isn't even 1 generation so long term effects are not known.


    I personally don't think we are aggressive enough in this country against drugs.


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    So you want to spend more money on fighting drugs?
     
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    Portugal only has 10.7 million people. Total.

    But, I still want to know how many users we have locked up how much our legal system is spending on the users. Not dealers, users. FTR, I'm not including marijuana, as I believe it should be legal like alcohol.
     
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    It's worth spending money if we can make a difference, that's the question are we making a difference.
     
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    I think it would be best.

    Lock em up and don't let em out. But judges won't do that so here we are.

    I'm speaking of the hard drugs.

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    We have the some of the harshest drug policies in the world right now, and also the highest percent of drug users

    Obviously it is not working
     
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    Is 5 years harsh for someone that makes and sells meth?

    I say no and I work with 2 people that were busted for making and selling and they both got 5 years. They weren't making it together, 2 differnt cases.

    For the record, the guy that shot and killed his wife served LESS THAN A YEAR. Had an illegal substance in his body and someone died and served less than a year.

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    all evidence leads one to believe that harsher punishment will not work
     

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