Why did you skirt the question? Go ahead and put a price on it. whats a life worth you? Go ahead and put a dollar figure on it then we can measure your failure with a ledger. You want to measure success vs failure based on what? I say if you saved one life you won something no matter how little it seems in the big picture. Yes one life mean that much to me. Some things are worth fighting for not because of your chances of winning but because its right and just. If we can not defend life and fight against something that is such an obvious detriment to people and society then we are morally bankrupt no matter how much money was saved by quitting the fight against drugs. Tell me again why you think drugs should be legal , lawful, legitimate, licit, within the law, valid; permissible, permitted, allowable, allowed, acceptable; authorized, sanctioned.
^^^ this is the most convoluted sense of right and wrong I heard yet. Next time I work an overdose and fail I need to look for the tax stamps on the bags so I can tell parents. Sorry Sir your son overdosed on heroin, but at least it was legally purchased and we collected taxes on it...If its any consolation to you those taxes might be helping someone else right now......
Because they already are legal , only certain ones aren't and those are still in heavy supply. Skirting the question? Your question amounts to emotional non-sense to me, how much is a life worth? Whos' life? I'm not even talking about saving money I'm talking about what might be effective strategies to move forward with to which you respond with a bunch of rambling about the value of life and being right and just all the while overlooking the facts that point to the failure of the war on drugs. Look at the stats, look at the information, the War On Drugs is a disaster and the course needs to be changed. Not because of $ but because doing the same thing over and over again with the same horrible results is not noble or "fighting the good fight" it is by defintion insanity. Speaking of skirting questions there' several you've skirted but don't worry about it they might require more than strong emotions to answer. I've never said I'm for decriminalizing all drugs, you just took my posts as an opportunity to try and have some kind of good vs evil debate while almost completely overlooking the dynamics of the actual topic.
Well how do you propose to help the kid before he od's? Perhaps you could give him a strongly worded letter telling him he is morally corrupt on the wrong path. Yup that should do it.
According to the federal government, 23.5 million Americans are in need of substance abuse treatment, but only one in 10 receive it. How do you propose to help these people who already exist despite your noble war on drugs. How can we help the other 9 out of 10 who clearly don't care that the drugs they are addicted to are illegal and have no trouble obtaining them? I'll have the skirt steak fajitas please...
We sure as hell dont tell him shooting heroin is wrong BUT...legal , lawful, legitimate, licit, within the law, valid; permissible, permitted, allowable, allowed, acceptable; authorized, sanctioned.
I think some of what the decriminalization crowd is saying is we might want to think about treating some drugs and addictions more as a health problem and less as a matter for the criminal justice system only. "National drug control spending on harsh enforcement strategies grew by 69.7 percent over the past nine years, while spending on treatment and prevention only grew by 13.9 percent." Pssssstt...^^this formula doesn't work. Just saying.
I'm not quite sure how anyone says the war on drugs is a disaster or complete failure...There's no evidence to support that. Who's to say how many more families would be in tatters due to drugs if they were legal? How many less people in jail? It's a hypothetical scenario; because they have never (really) been legal. As already stated and proven, the vast majority of prisoners are not there for drug possession. It's only a plurality that are incarcerated for trafficking. The vast majority are in prison for doing things that they did while high and/or attempting to steal stuff in order to get high. Legalizing drugs won't even begin to make a dent in that problem. Are we winning "the war"? Uh, no. Are we at a basic standstill, or a slight retreat? The statistic mean over the past 50 years would probably indicate so (notwithstanding the recent surge in use.) Can "the war" be fought more intelligently? Damn right. Can we pick our battles and focus resources more strategically? Absolutely. Does the government have the political will to do so? Sadly, it has never exhibited the cojones to effectively police the border; so the answer to that is no.
I'm not sure what exactly has been stated or proven but some US DoJ stats from recent years include these numbers: There is a drug arrest every 19 seconds in the U.S. Of the more than 1.6 million drug arrests in 2009, 82 percent were for possession alone. USDoJ There are at least 346,605 people serving sentences in state and federal prisons for drug possession or sales in the U.S. (including more than half the entire federal inmate population). USDoJ
LOL. Really? You analyze businesses and this is your belief? You sound like your real employee. My example are idiotic.... Like the BS beliefs your pushing. Seriously.
Facts and beliefs are not the same thing. Im not sure you even understand the conversation we are having? You seem to read posts it turn them into whatever you want them to be. I'm not wasting anymore time with replies. And FYI im very good at my job. Have a great day!
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Minus all the talk of decriminalizing certain drugs and re-examining our drug policies and sentencing, there are some fine police officers who work in very dangerous environments to protect us all from dangerous criminals who possess/distribute drugs combined with guns and everything else imaginable. The problem with a lot of the guys who carry the hardcore drugs and or "just sell weed" is they carry illegal firearms, promote prostitution, threaten people, rob people, etc. And that is not because drugs are illegal, it IS because the individuals who are involved in drug trafficking are creeps and gravitate toward lawlessness at every level of their lives. I for one applaud the men and women who have done what they could to shut those bastards down. One day in my career I would love to make those types of peoples lives hell for making everyone else miserable.
In your professional opinion will a significant percentage of these undesirables gravitate to the legal side of drug sales, distribution and use? Providing we have a wholesale legalization of hard drugs..?
I'd prefer the government stay out of our lives rather than believing that a law or throwing money at a problem will fix it. Take murder for example (and I mean murder, not self defense), it's illegal and people KNOW that it's illegal. It's against the law in every state and federal level, yet does it prevented murder? No. What good is making criminals out of people who possess or use drugs? If they stole or used violence in any way to obtain them, then THAT offense should be punishable. As long as they aren't hurting anyone else, they can do whatever they want to their body. They will have to take responsibility for their actions. Let's get back to the true libertarian thought process here people. If they were made legal, it doesn't also automatically make it right so you can't assume that people will just throw out their morals and start using because it's not illegal anymore or that people will start raising their kids to think that drugs are ok. We don't need laws to justify our actions. People need to take responsibility for what they do, period.
