So just who is it that decides what parts of the constitution we choose to follow and what parts don't pertain to the government and its invasion into our lives. The Russians gave us the names of the Boston bombers and the feds did little with that info,so what goood is reading our stuff going to do them?
In this case it was George W Bush and **** Cheney who decided to ignore the Constitution, Obama thought it was a great idea and expanded it I am not that naive to think the world is the same as it was in 1776. That's why we can amend the Constitution, is this a case where I think we should amend the Constitution? No, but is data mining my data on the internet, cell phones and social media a violation of my Constitution rights? I don't know, what I do know is I don't have to use any of those things, 100% my choice.
I am against any form of invasion of privacy, regardless of the type of communication. Don't care which side passed the bill, don't care which president signed it, don't care which president expanded it. Even though I am against data mining altogether, it doesn't violate anything. Data mining itself is basically just storing metadata, meaning they can save a history or record of a call, transaction, or communication but not the actual content of that call/transaction/communication. The 4th amendment protects us from government and law enforcement from reading and obtaining our property that isn't in plain view so as long as they aren't reading the content I could care less. What will be interesting is if anything comes out that they are storing more than just a record of occurrence because the last time I checked, the airwaves of my phone calls, the 1s and 0s of online data, and mail are not in plain view that can be read without the use of technology, some sort of hacking, or opening an envelope and in doing so that wouldn't just be data mining. From what I've read, Snowden hasn't released any specific data other than the names of numerous secret data mining organizations and programs. I guess it all depends on if what he released actually goes against any of the FOIA exemptions.
There is truth to what Snowden says. Are you familiar with Hadoop and what it has done? My company can do in 5-10 minutes what used to take nearly 500 minutes. I don't think the average American has a clue what analytics programs and other applications that are out there are capable of. Companies alone now have the ability to market to almost anyone in a customized way by data sharing and patterning people when they use their computers and the NSA is doing the same.
I believe that's what I said also, Act|On is the software we use to track users. Never said snow was not telling the truth. I just think he's s putz. Spear if NSA found out a person was going to blow up a plane using these tactics and it save your family, would your opinion change? What's the price for "freedom"?
I would not be shocked on BHC tracked what you did also, so Justin is that guy also. Yes I am that guy, we get a wealth of info about you. Think about rewards card at a Grocery Store, they know what you eat, if you're sick, what week your wife will be cranky, etc. Inbound Marketing is what it's called these days, anytime you fill out a form on the web to get something "free" it's a information grab. We build the web page in Act|On, once you go to Act|On page for the deal we get a wealth of information about you. We use this to market our products to you. The game has changed, consumers do most of their own research online, they do not want to be you to "sell" to them online. They want information/instruction content without the selling aspect. It's why every company should have a blog. The next big case in the Supreme Court will be about Privacy issues, it should be a game changer.
Say you were writing a novel about a terrorist blowing up a place and editing and changing parts. Say the NSA had no idea you were writing a book on your computer and on a Sunday they storm into your home and detain your family and throw you in jail for several years while you cry it was all just a book you were writing. Next they target those in your inner circle because they might know what you won't tell them. It is an invasion of our privacy that is protected and should not be done. The world will have tragedy and you won't stop it all, look at the Bostom Marathon bombing where the FBI had credible knowledge of the brothers being up to no good. I look at guns and hunting equipment on the internet. I also look at survival gear and articles, does the make the NSA look at me as a threat when I am not one? I have no idea, but I know that my rights could be violated as an upstanding citizen and I could be labeled or even more listed depending on hos sinister their actions really are.
The guy placed many people in danger from the knowledge he leaked. Bad. The guy actually took a stand on something and risked his life as he knew it. Respect.
You got me there. I am a father so I haven't the luxury of principle. But still, if you look at laws, they only hinder the law abiding citizen, no criminal or terrorist cares about the law anyway. I guess in this day and age, preemptive prosocution is possible - but as you said, at the price of some of our freedoms. I have no answer but I think what he did was a good thing.
I agree, it's a slippery slope. The questions is, if the NSA data mining saved your life or your families would you care as much? Vice verse your example is extremely valid, it could work in the reverse also, great point.
The thing we have to remember, which I mentioned above, laws and enforcement of laws (and the protection they provide) only negatively affect law abiding citizens. Murder is already illegal and there are still murderers. It's more likely that someone is killed by a drunk driver or someone going off the deep end without any predetermination than there are from terrorists. What is it about terrorism or some kind of invasion that makes it more important? They will always find a way to circumvent the NSA, FBI, etc etc.
This appears to be footage not in the original airing. Edward Snowden Censored Segment: ?Had All Info Needed To Detect 9/11 Plot ? | Ben Swann Truth In Media
