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Ebola Outbreak

Discussion in 'The Water Cooler' started by BJE80, Aug 6, 2014.

  1. virginiashadow

    virginiashadow Legendary Woodsman

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    Many of the same countries affected by Ebola are the same ones in which the males cannot keep their peters in their pants to contain HIV/Aids. Do you really think they are going to have the self control to control Ebola? No.
     
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    So the two missionaries ought to be up and around any day, right?

    The best they've been able to figure out is keep the patients hydrated and hope their organs don't fail while their own immune system goes haywire, their organs start to fail and the internally hemorrhage... cultural customs (like touching/preparing the dead bodies) is usually part of the way it gets a foothold. Fortunately it has usually only been a problem outside of major cities where you may have better sanitary conditions but more crowding... Just sayin'

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  3. BJE80

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    Bump. So will this spread or will it be isolated? My gut tells me a handful more people get it.


    My questions is:

    How can the most watched patient in the entire US still transmit the disease to a caregiver? That is the scary part for me. Is the CDC’s protocol for health care workers not adequate or are the health care workers skipping important steps with the protocol. It has to be one of those things. Right now they can’t figure out how she got as she claims she followed all steps to protect herself.
     
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    The problem is, they are testing and treating people in regular hospitals. They need to have Ebola symptom checking stations AWAY from regular hospitals because if our health infrastructure crumbles, who will take care of the infected? The ban on international flights to countries with infected cases should have been the first action. Not to change subjects but this is another reason we need to shut down the border and prevent illegal passage into the US.
     
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    Couldn't have said it any better.
     
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    I think we should send Hillary Clinton over to Liberia to get this figured out.
     
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    I find it incredibly disturbing that a health official giving an Ebola patient treatment for Ebola... got Ebola. I have a feeling this disease is much easier to get than what we are being told.
     
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    Bingo.
     
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    My bet, it gets worse before it gets better. I want to be wrong!

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    I'm not big on conspiracies... I think the facts we know about Ebola still point to it being MUCH more containable than many viruses already out there. It's a tragedy the number of people dying from this, but in the grand scheme of things the only reason it is scary to us is because it is new... This kind of sums up my feelings on America's reaction to this virus. I believe the simple explanation for how the nurse got Ebola is that she unknowingly broke protocol on dealing with quarantined patients.

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    Support your point. Nurse 2 in Dallas is now infected. Doctors without Borders and missionaries have been dealing with smaller out breaks for nearly 40 years, reasonably effectively, till this year.


    And perhaps because historically it was lethal in 90% (now down to 50-70%) of the cases.

    Or the CDC protocol is inadequate.

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  13. grizzly1530

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    I personally believe it was broken protocol that got these nurses infected. My wife is in nursing school right now, and she learned the protocol and there are many steps, some of them probably easy to miss.

    Also, think of this. My wife's in microbiology right now. They aren't dealing with deadly diseases, but after any labs, they put bleach on the table and have to wait for it to dry. Just wiping the table with bleach, doesn't kill most microorganisms. How many times have you gone to the doctor, and they just wipe the table, etc with a sanitizing wipe? I think our protocols here are a bit lackadaisical....
     
  14. BJE80

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    Trevor, I agree it's probably the most likely cause (nurse broke protocol). My question is how can the most watched patient in the entire US have a nurse not follow protocol on this? Isn't there other people including people from the cdc monitoring this?
     
  15. virginiashadow

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    Fact is, caring for someone with that level of quarantine requires a very acute attention to detail. One missed step and a person can get infected. That being said, I don't know how the nurse became infected. Heck, she could have touched something the infected person touched 1-2-3 days before he was actually admitted into the hospital. Ebola supposedly can live for 2-3 days on surfaces.

    We just don't know. I wish that nurse the best and I don't want to speculate as to whether she broke protocol. In my line of work we are "trained" to use PPE suits for bio-chemical attacks and such. I've trained in the suit and protocol one time in the last 3.5 years. Yeah, Im really trained.
     
  16. grizzly1530

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    This is just it. Healthcare workers might have more training, but once in 3.5 years? Makes it easy to forget a small step.
     
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    Why didn't the hospital minimize exposure? Why have 70 people come in contact with the patient?
     
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    It doesn't matter to me HOW these nurses became infected. What matters to me is that they did somehow and may have spread it farther than they know. I know the media is saying they quarantined themselves immediately, but they also told us just a week or two ago how hard it was to catch Ebola and we are seeing now how true that was. Between Ebola and this respiratory disease killing and paralyzing children in the US I am left wondering why we are not closing our doors and doing more to protect ourselves in this country.
     
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    So did two nurses break the protocol or ??????????????????????
     
  20. grizzly1530

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    I would say either that, or their training wasn't adequate.
     

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