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Discussion in 'Bowhunting Talk' started by trial153, Jan 19, 2013.

  1. Justin

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    Well put. I couldn't have said it any better and was going to make this post myself.

    I don't fault any company for attending - especially those who rely on this show for a hefty portion of their income. Remember, this isn't just fun and games, shake some hands, and hang out. This is business, and it's how companies survive.

    I personally will continue supporting companies like Wicked Tree Gear and can't wait to get my hands on a new pole saw when they're available for purchase. I would encourage everyone else to do the same.
     
  2. rknierim

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    Very well said. I agree completely. I am glad to see so many NOT attending, but understand that (from a business standpoint) some don't have that option. I only hope they do enough business to make it worthwhile with attendance from customers also dropping
     
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    Dan,
    Me of all people understands the pressures of business. Its about making choices as you so clearly stated . These business have to juggle the possibility of a short term loss verses the possible effects the continued infringement of 2nd amendment rights has on their consumer base. The fact of the matter is for some companies and the products they are selling at the show can be marketed to almost any group of consumers, and some are very specific to outdoors/hunting and firearms. So all the decisions being made aren't on the same level, but none the less they should be happy they are positions to make a decision some companies that was already forced on them.
    What about the companies that were directly effected by the decisions from Reed to ban "non traditional"? They didn't have a choice.

    We as consumers have a choice also, we can choice to support the companies that value the same rights and ideals as we do.

    Jimmy
     
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    I also see now that Ruger also pulled out..

    Thermacell and Gameplan.
     
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    Tom Dokken wont be speaking also.
     
  6. Tyler Durden

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    Didn't see them listed but Hoyt is out and Matthews is staying in. Have not heard from Bowtech yet.

    Ruger and S&W are also out.
     
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    Just for the record - Mathews isn't displaying and never has at this show. They have dealers who choose to attend the show on their own behalf, but that's their own choice. They're selling more than just Mathews bows.

    Are you guys just pulling names out of the air now, or are you actually looking at the published exhibitor listings?

    As much as I agree with the overall point of this whole thing, it really seems like it's turn into a witch hunt for a lot of people.
     
  8. Dan

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    Yes, for some of the businesses its a short term loss. But, for others, its a long term loss that may cripple and/or destroy their business. That's my point.

    I understand your stance to support companies that share your same ideals. I'm also saying that some of the companies that are attending the show share those same ideals, but are stuck between a rock and a hard place.
    Do they:
    A) Boycott the show? Sure they lose out on the booth fee, but how much inventory are they stuck with? How are they going to pay for said inventory if they don't attend this show? Will it cause them to go out of business?
    B) Attend the show and keep food on their families plates, yet be black balled by people who don't understand what they are going through.

    I think some people fail to understand how big this show really is and what it means to some small businesses in this industry. Me of all people understands this, as I was one of those vendors for a couple years out there. ;)

    So, I encourage you to keep promoting the businesses that can take a stand and who were directly affected by the show's stance. But also try to see it from others shoes and not start a campaign to black ball the ones that can't afford to make that same stand.
     
  9. jrk_indle84

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    Its funny mathews was jus brought up, they jus posted a statement on their facebook page. Pretty much what Justin said, corporately they don't attend that show and will not once again.
     
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    My problem is with the timing of the announcement, it has really put some of the smaller companies in a financial bind. I really agree with supportijg those that made a stand, but as Dan has mentioned many of these companies could fold because of a hastily made political decision. Imo.
     
  11. trial153

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    Here is an updated list of Vendors that have pulled out of the show so far. The industry support has been outstanding. What a pleasure knowing that your dollars spent on hunting /fishing ect are going to people and companies that value your rights and are willing to stand with you to fight for them.

    181 Vendors so far:




    2 Million Bullets
    24/7 Hunting TV
    Alaska’s Ravencroft Lodge
    Alaskan Outdoors TV
    Ambush Firearms
    American Whitetails of PA
    Antler Insanity
    Apex Tactical
    Appalachian Big Game TV
    Arrowhead Outdoors
    Athens Archery
    Atlantic Tactical
    Avian X Decoys
    Bangin Redhedz Turkey Gear
    Bear Archery
    Big Game Butter
    Blitz TV
    Bohning Archery
    Boondock Outdoors
    Bow Hunter’s Den
    Bow Life, LLC
    BowHunter Planet
    Bowhunting.com
    Cabela’s
    Camo Addiction
    Campbell Cameras
    CanCooker
    Cochrane River Outfitters
    Cody Turkey Calls
    Cold Steel Knives
    Combative Edge
    Continental Divide Outfitters
    Cross Canyon Arms
    Cutting Edge Bullets
    Darkwoods Blind
    DCVR
    Dead Ringer
    Deer and Deer Hunting.com
    Direct Action Tactical Firearms
    Dirty Dog Outdoors
    Domari Nolo Defense Consulting
    Dominance is Everything Hunting System
    Dominator 365
    Down N Dirty Outdoors
    Driven TV
    Droptine Outfitters
    DuckWater Boats
    Eastern Chapter Wild Sheep Foundation
    Eastern Outdoors
    Easton Bow Hunting
    Excalibur Crossbow US, Inc
    Farmland Trophies Outfitting
    Fear No Evil
    Field Proven Calls
    Firearms Industry Consulting Group
    Flatline Productions
    Foiles Migrators, Inc
    Forbes Turkey Calls
    FOXPRO High Performance Game Calls
    Full Circle Outdoors
    Furtakers TV
    Ghost River Outfitters – Alberta
    Gone Wild Outdoors
    Goodling Rifles
    Gut N Tag, LLC
    H.S. Specialities
    Heartland Whitetails
    Hevi-Shot
    High Lonesome Outfitters
    HookHunt
    Hoyt Archery Inc
    Hunter Safety Systems
    Hunter Specialties w/ Rick White
    Hunters and Guides Connection
    Hunters Comfort, LLC
    Hunter’s Specialties
    Huntin’ Is Good! TV
    IceHole Coolers
    International Bowhunting Organization
    Iron Kin Hunt Club
    IScope
    J & M Traditions
    Keystone Country Store
    Keystone Elk Country Alliance
    King of the Mountain Inc.
    Kinsey’s Outdoors
    Kodabow
    Lancaster Archery Supply
    Major League Bowhunter
    Men in Treestands Productions
    Midwest Whitetail Adventures
    Mindful of Nature LLC
    Mountain Dog Chews
    Muddy Outdoors
    Muskie Moose, LLC
    NasHunt Outdoors
    Nature Blinds, LLC
    NasHunt Outdoors
    Northern Hideaway Outfitters
    Northern Outdoor Lodge
    Northern Wilderness Outfitters
    Old Goat Outdoors
    Open Season TV
    Outdoor Channel Outfitters
    Outdoor Edge Knives
    Outdoor Specialist Grou
    Outdoorsnative.com
    Ozonics Hunting
    PA Federation of Sportsmen’s Clubs
    PA Taxidermist Association, Inc
    Pat Strawser Custom Calls
    Pennsylvania Trappers Assoc.
    Perry’s No Peep Archery Site
    Pipeline Ridge Hunting Preserve
    Primal Urge Outdoors
    Primos Hunting Calls
    Proc’s Huntin Buddy
    PSE Archery
    Radical Hunter
    Ranew’s Outdoor Equipment
    Red Star Arms
    Revolution Hunting
    Rhino Outdoors
    Rougeaux Taxidermy
    S & W Outfitter
    SecureIt Tactical
    Skull Shine
    Southern Game Calls
    Spook Span
    Sportsmen of North America TV
    State Line Bone Mine
    Staudt’s Gun Shop
    Stay Ready Inc
    Stokerized Stabilizers
    Susquehanna River Waterfowlers Assoc
    Table Mountain Outfitters
    Team Overkill
    The Bear Whisperer
    The Outdoor Loop
    The State Line Bone Mine a NW Missouri and Iowa outfitter
    The Warmbag
    Timberline Outfitters
    TNT Archery
    Tough Country
    Trijicon, Inc
    Triple Mag TV
    Trop Gun Shop
    Turnbull Manufacturing
    U Slide Bow Hunter
    Ultimate Camo
    Umax Outdoors
    Upper Canyon Outfitters
    Wallaston Lake Lodge
    Tex Mex Outdoors
    The Warmbag
    Watson Air Lock
    Watt’s Truck Center
    Whitetail Bosses
    Whitetail Freaks
    Whitetail Heaven Outdoors
    Whitewolfsurvivalsupply.com
    Wired Outdoors
    Woodcock Limited of Pennsylvania
    X-Stand Treestands
    Zink Calls
    Zook Cabins

    Speaker / Celebrites Pulled Out (23)
    Abner Druckenmiller – Furtakers TV
    Angie & Scott Denny – THE LIFE at Table Mountain
    Blaine Anthony, The Bear Whisperer
    Bob Folkrod
    Bob Mercier
    Brad Farris – Primos
    Chris Brackett
    Eddie Salter
    Fred Eichler – Fulldraw Outfitters
    Jay Gregory
    Jim and Eva Shockey
    Jimmy Primos – Primos
    Larry Weishuhn
    Lee & Tiffany Lakosky “The Crush“
    Matt Morett
    Michael Waddell
    Pat & Nicole Reever
    Ralph & Vicki Cianciarulo – Archers Choice
    Stan Potts
    The Bone Collector
    Tom Dokken
    Trent Cole

    Other Boycott Supporters (15)
    Anything About Guns
    Bloodline With Alex
    Ruthledge
    Blue Rock Outfitters
    Broken Arrow Wilderness
    Chasing Trophy Whitetails
    Eddie Salter
    Family Traditions TV
    Gene & Barry Wensel
    Haley Heath
    Hank Parker
    NebraskaOutfitter.com
    Roger Raglin
    Wyvern Creations
     
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    Whitetail adrenaline is also out
     
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    Update: Jamie Grey the Olympic Gold medal winner pulls out of the show also...

    I want to thank all of you for your concern regarding my participation at the Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show.

    It was with great honor that I originally accepted the invitation to participate in the Eastern Sports and Outdoor Show. My purpose in attending this show in year’s past has always been to help provide a deeper knowledge and understanding for the Olympic Shooting Sports and as a way to give back to my local community given its proximity to where I grew up. Jamie Gray

    As an Olympic gold medalist, passing on those values and knowledge has become even more important for me today. As an avid outdoors woman who grew in this sport in part due to my experience at ESOS, it’s a decision that doesn’t come easy but I have decided that I will NOT participate.

    My decision is due to what I feel would be an inability as an Olympic athlete to represent my sport, industry and USA Shooting teammates in the best possible manner given the political climate that will be present as a result of the decisions that have been made.

    The message that I hope to instill in the participants of the ESOS can only be muddled as a result of the current situation.

    I look forward to my involvement in the Show in the years to come.
     
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    While that seems like an easy answer, it's not quite that simple. I know of several companies (many outfitters) that attend this show and rely on it substantially to book hunters for this coming fall. Many western outfitters go to the ESOS because you people don't have elk, mule deer or antelope to hunt, and it's the best opportunity to book these hunters. Sure, they could go to other shows, but by this time of year most shows are either booked, over or too close to attend.

    Application deadlines are closing in for many states and if these outfitters don't book in the next couple of weeks, they don't eat for the fall.

    You'll have a hard time finding anyone that supports our second ammendment more than I do, but it's far more than a slap in the face to Reed. This will impact far more people than you realize and will most likely cost some of them their lively hood. That is fact.
     
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    I have my own business, it's my third one. The first business I sold, the second failed and now I am going on 10 years on the third. I work a second job as a medic and avg 60 hours a week at that from Jan-Sept...I am not complaining we live very well and have a wonderful life.
    I am working right now and my wife is home alone with our two year old son.
    She dials 911 and depending on where the two state patrols, and one country patrol is ...that's all there is at night I the county we live in. She can have a 5 min to 30 min wait...or longer.
    In the night stand is hand gun, and that's all that stands between her my son and a lot of nasty people,while she is waiting 20 minutes for the police to show up.
    This week in NY that fascist prick Cuomo and some of our senators and legislators broke the law in order to take away the rights of my wife and hundreds of thousands of other NYers to protect themselves. They turned that hand gun in to a felony because of the magazine that's in it and number of bullets that loaded into it.

    So when you tell me people's businesses are at stake the only answer I have is better that then their lives. Business come and go as does jobs but our lives and rights we never get back.
     
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    My only question to folks is this: what does a civilian man or woman need a 30-round magazine for? While I am all for these companies backing out and standing proud, as well as 2nd amendment rights, I question defenses on the use of high-capacity magazines when not in use against the enemies of our nation.
     
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    Why did Rosa Parks need to sit in the front of the bus?
     
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    To take a stand against racial intolerance and injustice. A much larger and deeper issue than that of the legality of high-capacity magazines. A pretty poor comparison if you ask me.
     

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