It's only since fox new came about that we can now get the other side of the story. They just did one of those pieces last week about government employees racking it in with over time and being at two jobs at once kind of stuff.
Legalized extortion. By reason of personal experience, I'm very anti union in every way possible. Right or wrong it is what it is. I have big problem with a whole workforce striking to get their way, like I said legalized extortion. This leads me to the strike going on around here between the American Crystal sugar company and it's union. By no small coincidence the union contract expires right before what they refer to as the "campaign", which is the busiest time of year where they begin to accept and process sugar beets. Of course the union had the company by the gonads since they would pretty much get what they wanted since any hint of a strike would ruin the company for the whole year since if you have no beets then you have no sugar. Last August the contract was set to expire but the company took a proactive approach prior to that and actually directed everyone in management to learn the operations of specific areas of the plant and then hired and trained what the union folks refer to as "scabs" before the union contract expired. Now the company gave the union a taste of its own medicine and locked them out. Immediately gave them the terms of the new contract and said take it or leave it. Naturally the union chose to leave it and guess what, today they are still locked out - 13 months later and all the news outlets have lost interest. I'm interested to hear what the union guys here think of this, if it's it ok for the unions to strike to get a "fair wage", then is it also fair for the company to lock them out for what they believe is a "fair wage"?
Maybe they just wanted the same pay increase the CEO got What's good for the goose, is good for the gander. My guess this is less about wages and more about healthcare.
Your implying that the average worker is worth as much as the CEO. If the CEO does a crappy is there a union to step up and force the company to keep the CEO on? I know people like to make it a "us vs them" issue but it's really not. Management lose their jobs as well but what more important, your brain or your hand? Your paid what your worth and sometimes that hurts. Non-union Americans deals with it everyday and know one is crying for us.
CEO can not make diddle, lol Dude if you are going to try and make a point, go another route. When a CEO does a crappy job they get paid to leave. You, me and the man on the moon get shown the door and have a nice day. In executive land their are different rules, like you don't make a profit, but still get a bonus. It is what it is.
Most executives got there because they have a MBA and put work before everything else. Their job is their life. Most people are not willing or able to do that, or dont have the smarts. Some are overpaid, some are not. If an employee does not like the CEO's salary or business style, they have every right to work somewhere else.
Again. You get what your worth. A lot of our CEOs are being hired by foreign countries now because they get it and the American left does not. It's not about scamming the little guy, it's not. It's what they are worth and they can write their own contracts.
Went in for my morning Cuban cafe today and noticed the had The View on the Telly and thought, that's what our American media is today. Four leftist talking to another left wing guest and one conservative. That's American Big Media today but with way more leftist. Some of you guys really need to travel more and understand how socialism has already distroyed so many country's.
That's really not the issue, if a company is failing, everyone should have some skin in the game. To be getting yours, while asking others to sacrifice is a hard pill to swallow. It's the very reason I only work for private companies where the owner is involved in the day to day operations. Most executives on these bigger public have no skin in the game. They screw up they get their golden parachute and move on. It's how it works. One of my best friends is a CEO and a damn good one, he constantly complains how inept his peers are where he works. The playing field is not level, if some cannot see that, we'll I cannot show you. There a huge difference between an owner and CEO, huge
I have never seem a union that puts the companies well being ahead their own, as an owner your responsibilities lay with growth,profit and fiscal responsibility. Meeting pay roll in hard times is a factor that drives many jobs over seas, as pay roll is the largest expense except in very rare incidences. On the other hand, a unions power comes from its number of members it has, in this day and age where productivity is the driving force,(productivity is doing more with less) this stands opposition to the unions goal of hiring more members who in turn pay more dues. The chance of these two sides ever meeting in the middle is very slim.
Germ, I fully understand that the playing field is not level. But, the guy at the top got there by doing what it took to get there. Doesnt mean its fair, doesnt mean it has to be. Just means he was willing to do what it takes to get there, many are not.
This is exactly right, and by simply joining a union you have prevented yourself from every reaching the top of your field, as mediocrity is achievement in a union run company.
Also Germ, if your argument is "management is doing it why shouldn't we?" Two wrongs never make a right. Your just feeding into the big get even. ps. I think your friend has done work for me I've had lots of college guys think they can run my business better than me. Now their thinking that about their new bosses I'm sure.
I think you missed the point, as I said there is a huge difference between an owner and a CEO of a publicly held company.
You guys really ran away with this one. At the end of the day the union employees robbed me and my wife of a day of our vacation. I actually saw my flight on the news and the airline had confirmed sabotage, and the same thing happened the next day on a different flight. it is bad enough to have the delays, but a majority of the employees were so indifferent to our plight, even down right rude.I have union workers that work for me, and i depend on them and they rarely let me down. I worked in bigger facilities where the union heads would think of ways to hinder work or stall. These same people would look down on people who busted there hump all day. Call them kiss asses and runners. Anyway two more daya of vacation to go.
They are acting just like the company excutives, looking out for their own interest first. When a excutives does it, it's good busniess. Do not think for one second these guys make choices what is best for the company, they don't in most cases. They make choices for what is best for them and their pocket books. Greed, both sides our infected with it these days You're are correct the consumer is paying the price.
