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Discussion in 'The Water Cooler' started by Hooker, Jun 26, 2013.

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  1. Siman/OH

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    People who eat only vegetables weird me out too, but i wouldn't deny them the right to shop at the same store as me...
     
  2. LittleChief

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    You know, I usually stay away from these topics, but I have to chime in here. I did 24 1/2 years in the Navy and over half of that was on ships. I've been all over the world and seen just about everything you can imagine. I don't give a hoot in hell if two guys or two girls want to get married. Let them. Have at it. My problem with this whole deal is that I don't think what they're doing is right, I don't accept it and I will never say that it's okay. That's my choice, right? I do still have the right to believe what I want to believe, right? I don't try to force my beliefs on them and I sure don't appreciate having their beliefs forced on me.

    My problem isn't that LGBT folks can marry. I've always said that on this subject the government should give them everything or nothing. Either give them all the rights and privileges they want or make it illegal. One or the other. No middle ground.

    One of my problems with this is that someone who is gay can condemn and berate anyone who dares voice their beliefs to the contrary but how dare anyone condemn them? All I have to do is say that I don't think it's right and suddenly I'm a bigot or a homophobe.

    And there's another of my hang-ups. What the heck is up with the term "homophobic"? If you're claustrophobic, you're "afraid" of closed in spaces. If your arachnophobic, you're "afraid" of spiders. I'm not "homophobic" because I'm not afraid of them at all. I think a better word for what I am would be "homo-repulsed" because, frankly, I find it repulsive. There are a lot of things I find repulsive, but it's not my place to say someone can or can't do those things. I can accept the fact that they have the rights that are given to them and I can live and let live, but don't try to force me to agree with, accept or condone what I believe to be wrong.
     
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    As a Catholic, I have to disagree. Where is the church going to get priests now that gay is ok and cool. They will lose at least half of the recruitments now. :rolleyes: :evilgrin:

    This crap does affect our lives. Seems if we are a guy but think we are a woman trapped in a guys body, we should be allowed to pee and shower in the girl's restroom and locker rooms in schools. Are you comfortable with that ?? How about once your daughter is in school ??

    When your daughter asks you about being gay. What do you tell her ?? That it is normal for a person to be gay ?? I am asking you... is it normal to be gay ??

    Am I a bad person for hoping my children are not gay and never will be ??

    Am I a bad person when the subject of sex came up with Tyler and I failed to inform him about being a gay, safe sex and getting corn holed ??

    Answer me these questions please... I would really like to know just how evil I am. While I don't care if you are gay or not... it shouldn't affect my life as you suggested. In this day and age...sadly... it will though.

    Tim
     
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    Thanks for the laugh, Tim. :tu:
     
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    Oh, I know that. My argument was in reference to the religion part. Hook made the comment that some folks might have a religion that believed in gay marriage. Others do not. His point was in keeping religion out of it. Probably a good point, but I just had to throw the other side in there. Kind of proving his point as being legitimate. If religion was allowed into the legal aspect, there would never be any agreement.
     
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    Is it fair to a child to have to explain to all of his or her friends whey he or she has two mom's or two dad's. Does it put that child at a disadvantage in life. Is it normal? Should it be considered to be normal? Does it create additional hardships on that child? If so, is that selfish of the gay couple?
     
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    Politically I could care less, morally/religiously I want nothing to do with it.
     
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    Ah, but you see there was a time in the not-so-distant past when homosexuality was just as unacceptable as pedophilia. Perhaps even more so since less than a century ago it wasn't uncommon for a 13 year old girl to marry some old dude who paid a good price.

    Will we one day have to add another letter to the acronym and be forced to accept an LGBTP agenda? Will someone in the future call our children or grandchildren "pedophobes" when they take a stand against it? I know it sounds far fetched, but I would imagine that what's occurring today would have seemed just as far-fetched to our grand-parents.
     
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    Perhaps when I was growing up it was a hard subject for a kid to explain, I'm 29, I dont think nowadays its that big pf a stretch in most parts of the country.

    This whole subject is pretty funny to me, again with my age idk what it was like but I can imagine when interracial couples began to become more frequent it was this same debate. That used to be highly frowned upon and pretty much all the same things that are being said about gay marriage where the same then. Now its not a big deal and this won't be either.
     
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    Did you read my first post in this thread?
     
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    Yep. That's next:(


    Who's would of believed weed would be legal in some states today and now gay marriage? Throw in bestiality in the next 15 years. As love as your pet is consenting.

    We really need to pray more for these people. What a strange way to live your life. IMO.
     
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    Is explaining the fact that you have two same sex parents more difficult than explaining why your mom and dad hates each other? That one or both of your parents are addicted to drugs? That one of your "normal" parents beats the heck out of you? That your parents preach the good book yet do the exact opposite on a daily basis? That many a priest/minister/whatever who under the disguise of religious trust sexually abused those they were sworn to help?.....I could go on forever.
     
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    Do you believe in allowing Native Americans to worship by using peyote and other mind altering drugs?
     
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    It depends on if the other kids have been taught being gay is just another normal thing in life which seems to be the big push now. I was taught it was not normal when I was growing up... more so due to religion and peers. My folks never said anything about it as it didn't seem to be a concern of theirs back then.

    Now we are being told otherwise. I really don't think it would be a hardship now days in that respect. 30 years ago... yes.

    Again I could careless if someone is gay. I wouldn't force my kids to break up a friendship if I found out their friend was gay. I would love my children just as much if they were gay. I would treat their friend/friends the same as anyone else until they tried going to the powder room with Britney and they had a penis. I don't care how much they believed they are trapped in a boy's body... I draw the line there !!!

    Tim
     
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    Well looks like I might be wrong. Britney ( soon to be 14 ) just informed me that while they might not be picked on to their face... kids would make fun of them and talk behind their backs. That surprises me.

    Tim
     
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    Just found out same sex can't go to prom here. Looking like they still have hurdles here before gay marriages even makes it to the table.

    Tim
     
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    Yes, our views are very similiar.

    I was just making an analogy out of what you said.

    Sent from my Samsung Galaxy s4
     
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    If it'll get them off liquor:)

    Personally no. It's idle worshipping but that's me.
     
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