Gja, I work at a juvenile lock up facility and get the same thing. We work 12 hour shifts on the weekends, holidays, etc...you would think that people who signed up for those shifts understood what they were getting into....but they act like children and whine.
Wasn't making a comparison to officers Brett... We are less then 10% of the entire Corps. The folks who do the work, are the enlisted Marines, they make a LOT less then teachers and do a lot worse work. They also don't get summers off, work 10-12 hours a day and deploy for months at a time. Plus they have to put up with ****** bag officers... Sean
Sean, enlisted Marines are not college graduates and many went into the Corps between the ages of 18-20. I understand about the work involved, but just like many people say about teachers...."you knew what you were getting into....". Those guys did not have to become enlisted Marines. They could have worked and gone to college and then became officers. They either were not fit to become officers or chose not ante up and go to college. Or they could have gone to work somewhere else making the same amount of money with a lot less time in the office. Again, I am not taking anything away from their dedication and hard work, I am just comparing two different occupations.
I'd have to look at the specifics more, thats a pretty broad statement. I'll tell you what though. Get my hands (or any other business mans) on some of these budgets and let me have the final say on them would be a step in the right direction. I'd also "evaluate" the asinine pension plans that the taxpayer/ATM machines continue to pay for. And then districts whine they don't have money/ HELLO!! Oh wait..... just increase taxes by 3%. Takes a genious to be in charge to make that call. So you can't manage the money we're giving you now and you want us to give you more? Is that how it works? I wish running a business was that easy. And it's not even really about that (in this thread anyway). I think you can understand how I have ZERO sympathy for someone crying about having to take their work home with them. Oh wow! Welcome to reality. Probably should take a sick or personal day the next day to recover.
So even if you compare an officer to a teachers track - a 2ndLt makes less or equal to most starting teachers, works more hours, has to maintain fitness, professional military education and works WAY more hours then a teacher. Through a competitive process, he is weeded out at each level until he makes Major 10 - 12 years from comissioning. He has demonstrated value to the organization, has surpassed his peers in performance or he wouldn't be where he is. Brett no slam to your wife or any other teacher (my mother was a teacher for 30 years), but I work WAY harder then any teacher - and have done it in and out of CONUS under some nasty ass conditions no teacher has had to endure. If you were to work out the math of hours work to hours compensated... I am pretty sure most other occupations would come out ahead of what we in the military make. Sean
Project scientist for an environmental consulting firm. Or you could say I w**** myself out to oil companies. Either description works.
One of my civilian job titles is Instructor of Military Sciences, but it's not like I taught at a University or anything!
Sean, I COMPLETELTY agree with you on the difficulty of your work, the hours required, etc. I in no way shape or form am saying anything different. What I am saying toward you in regards to being a professional soldier is just like what everyone else says to teachers..."you knew what you were getting yourself into when you joined...". That is all I am saying so please don't think I am being disrespectful. That is not to take away from anything that you do, because you know how much I appreciate your work and the work of our soldiers. I was actually thinking about this, this morning as I was coming into work. I thought of the responsibility of my father when he was in the USMC. Every person in the large building in which he worked pretty much answered to him. And he got paid ALOT less than persons also in the public sector that were doing work 50% less difficult and with hunreds and sometimes thousands of less people under their command. SO again, I understand exactly where you are coming from Sean.
If I was to make a list of the top 10 Job Ooccupations that effect this country the most, Teachers would be in the top 5. They spend almost twice as much time with our children as we do during the week. I went to school in Detroit (inner City) for a few years, If them teachers did not get Hazardous duty pay they should have. Had one female teacher that had a switchblade so big it would jerk her arm sideways when she opend it! I don't hear as many Teachers crying as I do Others crying about them, especially on days they got to watch their own kids.
I love my work. I go everyday enjoying my job. Very few can say that about their work. No complaints of any sort from this Teacher. You all have fun with this, but I don't see it the way that some here do..whom have never taught a day in their life. Only the "few" squeaky wheels, i.e. poor teachers make all the noise. In my experience, the majority by far!!! are very dedicated and extremely unselfish with their time, resources, etc. when it comes to making a difference in kids lives. All professions have those that give it a black eye. For those that value and respect teachers, I thank you because I can promise you the vast majority of teachers are in it for the right reasons and are doing all that they can to impact your children in a positive way. At least thats what I see in the districts I have taught in.
I asked this to my wife last night, when did we get this epidemic of "bad" teachers? It's all I hear these days. Where did they all come from? Troy let me give you the stanrdard line "We're not talking about you, we know you work hard"
I think their complaining has become more and more justified every year lately. When they started running the schools through politics and not from an educational stand point it started down hill. When they started such practices as dumbing down classes to make everyone "FEEL GOOD", it went down hill. Such programs as "No child left behind" have been carried to rediculous extremes. More dumbing down. Teachers have to spend more time making individual programs for each student that it's absurd. Drugs are not the needed fix for problem children. Discipline has been politically removed from the classroom and from the teacher. When a little 6th grade girl has to be subjected to watching some whacko masterbate in a class and escorted to the bathroom to finish...we've gone too far. And God help the teacher that would suggest poor little Bubba doesn't and won't try. His parents(if he has 1 or 2) don't care. It's all the teachers fault they say. The people directing, financing and bullying the school systems out of educating are at fault. They've allowed the squeeky wheels to get all the grease and if anyone opposses this.... they're branded as racists. Yup, it's all the teachers' fault. Damn right they should *****. Someday maybe there will be a turn back to sanity but it doesn't look like it'll happen in my time. You say they can leave.... a lot of the good ones do. We've also dumbed down the teacher qualifications because frankly, the lazy ones are just fine to stamp a grade and pass illiteracy along to the next level. They don't complain... they get their check and retire when they can unless they kiss enough butts to become superintendants or something which makes for a big pay day. Yup,, the teachers complain too LITTLE.
Now those guys are out there, I mean out there. There were like 10 people in that class? I think will be ok
Goodness gracious, terrible. ughhhhh. But one thing I can say is, they at least speak up for what they believe in unlike a lot of other folks.
The NOODLES man, the NOODLES... How dare that s.o.b that is paying you tell you when you come to work, what to make and how to serve it. The audacity of that guy for paying me and telling me how he expects a service to be rendered. I mean, c'mon man... I just want to do what I want. Pass the bong man. Research - Jamestown Settlement and what shared ownership did. (hint, they mostly died)
I was laughing my butt off during that part...... until I realized he was serious. He's forming a NOODLES revolution and going to run the owner out of town. He can stay for his skills, but he's going to be an equal? He's either with us or against us? LMAO wow. How on Earth that dude still works at NOODLES is beyond me
