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Do you still support Trump

Discussion in 'The Water Cooler' started by BJE80, May 17, 2017.

  1. remmett70

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    The Socialist Party will no longer be running a candidate for president. The Democratic Party is leading this country to Socialism much faster than we could ever hope to.

    Norman Thomas.
     
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    Your sarcasm and flippant response clearly indicates your "life experience, research, brain and free will" are woefully inadequate to make informed decisions and or statements on the matter.
     
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    When was the last time you were in China or India to investigate their technological advancements in "green" technology? Sarcasm is unnecessary.
     
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    I am skirting nothing.
     
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    It brings together more countries than EVER before to agree with consensus, to work on a problem threatening the globe. The actual solution offered by the agreement is a drop in the bucket as to what is needed and will increasingly be needed. It is a start and a monumental one at that.
     
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    Cutting EPA funding and denying climate change? Indeed you have heard, and seen a republican against protection of the environment.
     
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    You appear to conclude that economic growth, prosperity and wealth are the be all and end all, and not possible through a liberal agenda? What about dignity, equity, consideration, thoughtfulness, kindness, and even generosity.. are those not better virtues to strive for that financial wealth which is absolutely a result of inequity?

    You really think everyone has the ability to go to school, be financially wealthy, and "choose not to be poor"? Perhaps your race and upbringing have taught you that but millions of people on this planet live on less than $2 a day.. you think that is their choice or fault?
     
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    Stopping it and slowing it are two different things. Indeed, stopping it is likely impossible, but slowing the rate of change is within the realm of possibility and is vital. An agreement among nearly 200 nations works to slow the effects, a land-mark agreement and that alone is noteworthy. Current discourse in the US is not focussed on "electric cars", but rather on outdated and antiquated technology and fossil fuel reliance, namely coal and pipe lines.
     
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    Not sure what you mean by the bold section, but if you are trying to say those are brought by the left side, I would disagree and propose that neither side bring those qualities to the table. If politicians were virtuous, we would have this entire thread.
     
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    How do you measure prosperity?
     
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    There have been climate change summits every year since the mid 90's. Only 193 nations in the UN.
     
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    I would like to see your methods of slowing down climate change in a population exploding world.... There is no true "Green" energy... Solar panels need earth elements and metals. Wind energy needs metal and is also completely useless in spring and fall, and generally inadequate in summer and winter (peak energy seasons) . hydroelectric causes major changes to water ways, needs a ton of metals and cement work. Even electric cars need there electricity from some refinery pumping the atmosphere full of chemicals. Yes we can do things to make us sleep at night. No we cannot change the worlds climate.
     
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    And the most efficient method of producing energy, nuclear, is also the worst for the environment.

    Economy - Environment - Health/wellfare

    Pick two.
     
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    There is the 100,000,000 dollar question. The answer IMO is it cannot be done, at the very best we can only hope to not accelerate the natural cycles of the earth.

    And if we look at history, rather than wasting money on trying to stop "Climate Change" we would be better off spending it to prepare so we can survive the Ice Age that is most likely to follow the warming cycle.
     
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    I agree

    Sure if everyone in the world moved off the grid and was growing their own food from last years crops, raising their own livestock, and building log/sod homes then we would be a "green" civilization. Then when we realize we can't change the environment, we will all die of heat exhaustion, hypothermia, disease, violence, hunger, and a host of other problems. Oops. :)
     
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    You are the one that brought up the inequities in wealth. I just explained that if you really want wealth, its there to be had. Its not all locked up in a bank somewhere guarded by rich Republicans. One only need to look at Detroit, Baltimore and a host of other cities that were run by generations of liberal agendas to see that it was a failed experiment 40 years ago. You still want to support that? Cool. That's the beauty of a free country where we are all equal. Equal to make decisions and pursue our dreams. You want dignity, earn it, its free. The more wealth I earn, the more I give away. I guess that seems pretty thoughtful, kind, and generous. Those virtues come about because of financial wealth. But, it doesn't have to cost money to be kind and virtuous. You don't have to rob a gas station or mug your neighbor just because you are poor either.

    Yes, EVERYONE in America that is not disabled, has the ability to be educated and the ability to be financially secure. My upbringing in a very modest, rented house, taught me that hard work and education will lift you up. Those that want to put forth the effort, can do damn near anything they choose. The disabled have support available through social programs as they should. Since our topic revolved around President Trump and Conservatives vs. Liberals, I kept my remarks on a local level.
     
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    That's what you got because that's all you deserve and you're lucky you got that much. You're just not worth much effort to be honest.
     
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    You can say stuff like that, it doesn't fit the poor oppressed people narrative that's so popular.


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    I mean seriously, how many years of abject poverty does it take for an entire class of people to stop hanging on every promise that is blown up their rear by the liberal party. It's absurd that it continues for generation after generation and the people that make the promises have a summer home in the Hamptons. The same people that make wealth out to be evil are absolutely rolling in cash. If it wasn't so freaking sad, it would be funny and I would say that the liberals are getting exactly what they deserve.
     
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    Unfortunately we are way too overpopulated to deviate from the resources that got us where we are today. A massive reduction in population is our only hope for the long run. By natural disaster or disease. I don't know why people are freaking out anyway. Everything dies eventually. Death is imminent. I'm more concerned with where I'm going after my time on this big green and blue ball.


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