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Discussion in 'The Water Cooler' started by BJE80, May 17, 2017.

  1. CoveyMaster

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    You really are disconnected from all forms of intelligence and reality. You're the perfect liberal and just as inauthentic as man made global climate change.
     
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    inauthentic as man made global climate change--- This made me laugh.....
     
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    Of all the threads that we argue over. Climate change is the one to tear BHOD apart. Interesting.
     
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    Your response clearly illustrated my points, sad that you do not see that, while continuing to resort to immature "insults". Perhaps if you do not have constructive comments, you should say nothing at all.
     
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    Highest observed levels in 100 of thousands of years with rates of change exceeding anything observed in that time period is pretty solid evidence, when compared to human population growth, species diversity and habitat loss, and the introduction of fossil fuel use. That is too many coincidences to still simply be theoretical.
     
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    We haven't observed for 100 of thousands of years. Only recent history. Nobody knows or can say the rates from thousands of years ago.

    Claiming different is lying


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    Indeed, but climate change will significantly impact what we love, and it already is affecting the environment. It is important to learn, be open to change, and willing to make changes for the betterment of others. We are already seeing this happen with rapid expansion of invasive organisms and loss of native species. Forests are under siege, tree species are increasingly being impacted by insects, disease, dehydration and wide spread forest fires are exceeding recorded levels. This on top of more intense and frequent weather fronts that heavily damage habitat everywhere.

    I think everyone can agree that climate changes over time. Some subscribe to the philosophy that this is natural and not induced by human activity. IF that is correct, then the least we can all do is try to reverse human impacts that I think we can all agree are not great for local systems... plant trees, work to enhance biodiversity and reduce our own wastes... every little bit helps.
     
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    You continued responses prove my point. No insult is good enough for people like you anyway. Perhaps you should go pound sand.
    I'm going to go pump some diesel fuel on a pile of tires and burn them and then go spray some GMO crops with a cocktail of herbicides so I have plenty of grain to feed my farting cows. Have a good evening.
     
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    There are indeed recorded levels of various atmospheric gasses dating back 100's of thousands of years from many independent studies.
    Some extracts from a watered down IPCC report (attached for review)
    • "It is a fact that present-day (2011) concentrations of the atmospheric greenhouse gases (GHGs) carbon dioxide (CO2), methane (CH4) and nitrous oxide (N2O) exceed the range of concentrations recorded in ice cores during the past 800,000 years. "

      "With very high confidence, the current rates of CO2, CH4 and N2O rise in atmospheric concentrations and the associated radiative forcing are unprecedented with respect to the highest resolution ice core records of the last 22,000 years"

      "There is high confidence that annual mean surface warming since the 20th century has reversed long-term cooling trends of the past 5000 years in mid-to- high latitudes of the Northern Hemisphere (NH). New continental- and hemispheric-scale annual surface temperature reconstructions reveal multi- millennial cooling trends throughout the past 5000 years. The last mid-to-high latitude cooling trend persisted until the 19th century, and can be attributed with high confidence to orbital forcing, according to climate model simulations. {5.5.1} "

      http://www.uio.no/studier/emner/mat.../beskjeder/05.ch_paleoclimate-archives_kk.pdf
      This final point is particularly concerning given natural recorded cycles which suggest the period we are living in should have been cooling, but it is not. This then further suggests human activity as a cause of the change which if the natural cooling cycle were not present would be greatly magnifying the already serious problem.
    Also interesting to consider, a recent paper on misinformation, perception and the danger in both issues on climate change policy and solutions.
    http://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...ion=click&contentCollection=meter-links-click

    It hurts no one to make a change. However, IF all these data are correct, no change is very problematic.
     
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    Let's hope your grand kids or great grand kids get the same opportunity, made me laugh again, well done
     
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    Studying ice cores is not the same as taking and actually observing readings real-time today. The study of ice cores is still an educated guess at what the conditions where and the time frame. They can't say, This here is the reading for 100,000 years ago, and this is the reading for one month later or one month earlier. They can't even give you year by year. That is why you will hear they say "highest on record" which means back to around 1880, because they know they cannot say it wasn't higher ever before.

    The problem with those pushing man-made climate change and most other environmental issues is that they always attack it like chicken little "the sky is falling". Acid rain, cooling, warming, and everything else. We have to spend all this money now to stop global warming. When reality is we can't stop it, at best we can not accelerate it. But when it comes to looking at the history of the earth cycles. Every time in the past that the greenhouse gases have reached the levels we are seeing now, it was followed by an ice age.

    Perhaps instead of blowing trillions of dollars on stopping something that cannot be stopped, we might be wiser to spend that money on finding ways so our great grand children can keep from freezing to death or starving because the majority of the earth is under ice.
     
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    Trumps bringing back coal, problem solved;)
     
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    I can't morally support anyone who doesn't believe in global warming. That is all.
     
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    I'm not concerned, I don't have kids so no grandkids either, don't care about anyone elses. If I do happen to have kids I don't know about...they'll have to fend for themselves.
    Besides I hate cold weather, I want to grow citrus in my back yard here in KS/MO so I'm removing all the emissions equipment from my vehicles, spraying all the CFC's I can find remaining, venting all my old freon into the atmosphere and burning all the forests I can manage to clear with a dozer and planting corn, GMO corn. I hope MMGCC is real, I'll do my part to speed it up as much as possible. Alarmists should thank me for proving their theory correct. Just think of all the new beachfront property we'll create inland and at the poles, great investment opportunity.

    Not to worry, the fantastic mad scientists will fix it anyway. I've seen plans as drastic as releasing billions of tons of carbon dust at the equator to fight global warming. Now that is genius...Dr. Frankenstein would be proud.
     
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    Is this sarcastic or serious? Is it global warming or man made global warming?
     
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    I still support Trump. He got his pick as SCOTUS confirmed in less than 100 days something Obama couldn't do in his last year. He is a little rough around the edges but I believe that goes along with having the character nobody will mess with. Under Trump we won't be the doormat of the world looking for handouts. I believe as time goes on he will prove to be someone who turned it all around for the USA in a positive direction.
     
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    I can't say I am 100% confident in Trump. His aggressive actions toward the ACA with no real replacement plan make me very nervous for the future of healthcare in our country. (In no way am I saying that the ACA is the perfect system). Outside of that, I am a little concerned with the reputation that our leader gives our country. Say what you want about Obama, but he always conducted himself professionally and was an excellent public speaker, something that we do not have with President Trump. We already see how other countries view him as our leader, and it shines a negative light on our whole country. People who say we don't need support from other countries are delusional and don't have a grasp of how the world economy and trading systems work.
    I do believe that he was better than the alternative.

    Above all else, I support my country. Therefore I support my current President. (even if I am a little nervous for what can happen next)
     
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    Great public speaker?! You've got to be kidding...


    I can't believe how people see Obama after all his stupid crap. This vid is perfect for those folks.


    The only problem with how other countries see Trump is that they know their time of raping and pillaging the US is over and they don't like it. Obama bent the US over and let them have their way with us...pffttt.
     
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    Move makes perfect sense when looking at the data. Only 15% of all Ford Focus were sold in the US last year, 36% in China. China is already one of 8 countries building the current Focus. Might be in the market for the New Bronco in the future.
     

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