Do you believe in "Divine Intervention"?

How about this one:

I could go back through and change all posts that I disagree with so they are in agreement with me. Or I could delete everyone I dislike. But I don't. I could. But I don't. The fact that I don't, doesn't mean the power is gone.

 

Hard heads lead to great testimonies.

Many scientists know the King of Kings.

Many archeologists fear the Lord of Lords.

The beginning of knowledge is the fear of God.

 

Yes and I can understand that. But some people can't see why people don't believe the bible. Even though they're 2 documents which are repeatedly changed and investigated.

 

Hmm. I think we're mixing too much here. Is it too late to also use all knowing and all ppwerful?

 

Hi Chopayne... I have no problem understanding why some people can't understand it. When we study... and understand all good translations... some are really bad... all good translations are translated to use more modern terminology from the original texts to help with clarity. There are translations and there are paraphrases. Be careful not to lump them together. There are a few issues discovered in the translations... such as the word Easter, used only once in the King James, should have been paschal in reference to the paschal lamb sacrificed for the sins of the people. That word is wrongly translated in the King James unless there was an attempt to highlight that Herod misunderstood the difference between the Jewish faith and his own pagan beliefs. But the problem with most people who judge the authenticity of the Bible... is... wait for it... they have never read it for themselves. They just quote what someone told them was wrong with it. I am assuming that is not the case with you, right?

Now... since you brought it up. I have no problem with real science. Believe it or not, I have both a bachelor's and a masters degree in science. That may be the problem... You said I refuse to believe what a scientist "thinks." You are partially right but in reality I don't care what one thinks, feels, believes or does when it comes to science OR religion. None of those things are science... they are theory, philosophy, superstition... propaganda perhaps but definitely not science. Science requires proofs, observable, predictable and explainable only after considering all variables. Some experiments are valid... some are not. I challenge you though, carefully read through the creation account in Genesis 1 and 2. I want you to notice a few things there. One is there was no time kept before time was kept. Our time is based on a single revolution of the earth about its axis where by we have a roughly speaking 1/2 day of both darkness and light. God created (moon and sun) light on the fourth day (He was the light on day one). I joked previously about the 800,000 years when nothing was yet created. Fact is we don't know that and can't defend it very well from scripture so I don't try. You'll also notice that the writer of Genesis noted that the lands were divided from the waters. There was no way someone would have yet known about continental drift... now we can't readily observe that but we can find evidence of it at least possibly having occurred. Good science has put that forward as an unobservable fact. If it happened and I believe it did, only likely, much more rapidly than most scientist believe. How did anyone know about it thousands of years ago before satellite's took photos of the earth?

I used to have all these doubts myself, until I read a single verse, Gen 2:4. this is the history of the heavens and the earth in the day the Lord God made them. (paraphrased) You see God gave us the answer before the question was asked. That is something required for a scientific experiment to be validated. I love science... love it! I just detest whack jobs throwing around the word science to win a political argument with no real proof other than to butter their own bread. I also detest people using faith based arguments in the same way.

So here's the deal... God can and does govern His creation as He sees fit. We can ask questions if we want. He doesn't mind at all but lets at least try to agree that science and religion do not have to be independent of each other. When we get to that agreement, maybe we can figure out how to solve some really big problems in the world... like why Todd wears those funky glasses when he knows someone is taking his picture.

 

I have no problem with religion. I don't believe in god but I don't deny that he could exist. I also am not surprised you're a scientist as I don't think science and religion is mutually exclusive or that you have to follow in atheism because you believe in science, much like our political party system. I just wish people on both sides would be more open to ideas of the other. There are ideas on both sides in my opinion which can be considered far off and whack, which is why I can't see how one can fully discredit the bible without fully discrediting science too. Both have had their dark days and theories which can't be proven and both will see dark days in the future. But there is this thing now where if you believe in Science or climate change you're a hippy liberal who kills babies while if you believe in god you're a racist stupid conservative.

For me and the subject of God, just using logic in my mind I can't see how free will and omniscient and omnipotent can Co exist. If I had a god I would love it to be caring and loving but it sure isn't what I see in the world. Instead I imagine if a god were to exist, it's someone who does as he pleases. And heck if that is what God wants to do, then I just better accept it. Going back on topic, if there was a omnipotent loving God, I'd have to think that there would be a better way to Divine intervention the neighbor than killing the man's dog. A simple hey I'm going to say hi to the neighbors feeling would have done just the same.

 

So muzzy I read your last paragraph after I posted what I did. Seems like we're on the same page but looking at it from opposite sides of the mirror.

 

This is a mess.

 

Excuse me if I don't use overused quotes like you and make sense all the time.

 

You may be excused.

 

Why don't you just shut up...you don't help they Christian cause, pal....have you ever had an original thought?

 

Here is an original thought.
Our Nation was built on biblical principles.
Study our founding Fathers
George Washington
Lincoln
The Constitution

Remove God from our Nation and you have no nation

Nice Avatar, my beloved brother.

 

Why do people always quote bible verses when trying to prove the existence of God to somebody who doesn't believe in God? If they don't believe in God why would they believe the verses being quoted?

 

Good question.
Sound reason and life experiences provoke many non-belivers to further investigate the Scriptures. The rest are lost.

 

One could make the argument that the beginning of knowledge starts with questioning the existence of God.

 

Adding to this.
People as a whole do many different things and asking why most times leads one to examine the source.

 

Bingo!!!!

 

I expect one could make an argument about many things.
Solomon would disagree with this type I am sure.

 

The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few.