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Do you believe in "Divine Intervention"?

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  1. Muzzy Man

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    Tony... you :rock:
     
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    You didn't provide an explanation. You just restated what you have been that there is freewill with omnipotence.

    When you let someone think for themselves you are not in control of their thoughts are you? That means that you don't have all the power in the world.

    If you let your auditor do a job of yours you are no longer in control of thenjob.
     
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    This does nothing except state that Cain had Free will but doesn't solve the omnipotence dilemma. You're also using a source to prove something debate able in that source.
     
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    But I an take it away...I have the ULTIMATE power ....
     
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    But when you give it away you are not all powerful at that point. You give away some of your power to allow for free will. When you do you are no longer all powerful. You might be very powerful but not all powerful.
     
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    Wow...well, I am done on this one....lol....
     
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    Actually, you didn't ask for an explanation in your post I replied to. You made a statement and I replied with a statement. :)

    I did explain, though, why I think that God would have given man free will. It was in paragraph 3 of post # 88. If that didn't make sense to you than I don't see how anything else I could say will make sense either.

    I'm not saying that's a fault on your part. I'm just saying that I can't explain it to your satisfaction.
     
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    Guess I'm the moran huh. = /
     
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    No sir....I am thinking it is just semantics....
     
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    Well I also forgot to tie it to all powerful and all knowing. How one can be all knowing but have free will.
     
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    Ah, omniscience. That's an entirely different can of worms. I've always wondered about that one when it comes to the biblical story of the flood. The bible says that God was "sorry that he had made humankind on earth". I've never been able to wrap my mind around exactly how an all knowing God could ever be sorry that he had done something. Shouldn't he have known what was going to happen when he created man?

    Someone else will have to chime in on this one because it's way over my head.
     
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    It's one thing to say you believe. It's another thing to have your faith tested severely and come out on the other side of it still believing God. - Joyce Meyer.

    Many here know I had my faith 'tested' in Jan of '99. Talk about Mad - I was cut so deeply part of me died that day too. I must say I didn't loose my faith that day, but it has grown significantly since then - partly because of that event I must say. God has given me the opportunity to speak to other individuals and groups since then, somehow helping them and blessing me also in so doing.

    There was no Divine Intervention on that day... but the walk I have taken since has revealed God does intervene and brings forth good from bad situations. The OP (IMHO) witnessed such an event when he went to the neighbors.

    Referencing Joyce's quote above... I believe the OP because of this event, still believes in God and believes he experienced a DI.
     
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    What is debatable? I understand some reject scripture, that's another issue. Are you saying one who is omnipotent can't do something? That would make no sense.
     
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    Okay... we're circling... I'm out.
     
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    I guess if you want to use a source to prove the source is true we won't get anywhere with anything.
     
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    Sorry, brother, but reading your posts it seems like you are wanting someone to provide evidence to support something that you refuse to believe. If that's the case, then there's no point in anyone trying.

    Maybe we should get back to the topic that the original poster was addressing, which was divine intervention. I'm fairly certain that's what he was asking about. :D
     
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    Since you caught me before I left... How does the government know you exist? I mean you pay taxes etc... but how do they know you are you? Is there not a written document somewhere that says you exist? You do realize the very exacting care taken with the reproduction of scripture? Way... way more than any other writing... ever. A lot of research and archaeological study has gone into those documents... if that is your issue.

    I get your circular argument... it sounds a bit like the chicken or the egg argument. You can't accept a God who surrenders His power without losing it. I think we all got it.

    Okay... now I'm out... good night all.

    Little Chief... again sorry about Max and I hope your wife's arm is healing.
     
    Muzzy Man, Apr 17, 2014
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    No I just thought people wanted to discuss these ideas. But if this runs counter to the thread then I'll back out.
     
    chopayne, Apr 17, 2014
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    And you refuse to believe what a lot of scientists think.

    Anyways looks like I'm going to make enemies so I'm out too.
     
    chopayne, Apr 17, 2014
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    I won't speak for Muzzy Man, but I can tell you that I DO refuse to believe some of the crap scientists think or believe. It's one thing to not believe. It's quite another to make it your life's goal to PROVE God doesn't exist.

    You're not going to make enemies by simply asking questions.
     
    LittleChief, Apr 17, 2014
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