Do you believe in "Divine Intervention"?

Was this divine intervention or not?
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The incidents are many for those willing to see.

 

I am not a very religious man as many of you probably know. However, I do believe in God.

Small story and I am not sure of it's significance in reference to this thread. I ain't getting any younger lately and my body isn't like it used to be. For some reason about three to four months ago I decided to try and gain some weight and lift hard. I hadn't even thought of doing that for about 10 years. I was working out hard before work each day, sometimes I started my job flat out exhausted before I recovered later on. I got up to about 230 lbs and was feeling much stronger about a month ago. Well one day I was running and my left calf cramped up bad, real bad. I don't ever remember any of my calf muscles ever doing that....I couldn't lift weights because of the strain, so I determined more then likely my entire body needed a break so I took off two days of working out.....where am I going with story????

Well I go into work one afternoon after taking off two days of hard workouts and I felt really good, my body felt real strong. First call of the day at work I got into a knock down drag out fight with a lunatic for several minutes by myself. We fought from the street all the way into the woods until other people could get on scene and help me contain the pyscho. My point....why did I all of the sudden feel the urge to workout extremely hard thereby arming me for an impending fight, one that could have gotten real ugly? Why did my calf cramp up out of nowhere just two days before that intense fight, thereby causing me to rest and feel really good physically before work? I don't know......

 

Tony,

How can there be an all powerful God if he has nothing to do with the bad. Either God does it or lets it happen, otherwise he is not all powerful. If one is all powerful, they have control of all events which go on.

 

Awesome man. I am glad everyone is ok. In reference to Divine Intervention, I believe it was. Good or bad, our actions affect other people. Sometimes it saves lives and sometimes it costs them.

 

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Since this is a topic that takes faith, I cannot, nor will I make you have the faith that I and many others here have. I will say that we are getting what we ask for (America, heck the world) as we have kicked God out of schools, the government, even our homes. The "good people" ALWAYS take a beating from the bad in this world...but God will take that clay that was put in the fire and turn it for good...but only for those that love Him...God used my first wife divorcing me because she wanted to find herself and led me to my current wife who led me to Him.

I could give you example after example of God intervening in my life....I have heard many testimonies from kids of faith that have come out of those horrific situations that make a believer weep with the way God could use something horrible like that to unite folks to Christ.

I have looked back since I have accepted Christ as Savior and saw God's hand keeping me alive until the day where he gave me eternal life. Most will mock what I say ...and that is OK...I would have too...but to ANYONE that cries out to God for HIS truth....not their own, God will answer....every time. (I am not talking about a "shaking a fist towards Heaven, cry)

God knows those that will accept His son as Savior. The invitation is open to all...

Again, this is MY belief according to what The Bible says...I have no hard feelings towards those that do not believe that way...and I am always available to talk to those that want to talk about it....God Bless

 

Tony, not trying to hit on anyone's faith but I dont see how believing that God is all powerful and evil has to do with faith. By logic alone, if one is all powerful, then they have a hand in everything that happens. Whether it is evil that does it or not, God could have stopped it if he is all powerful no? Im not saying God has an active hand in evil nor he is one at fault for letting it happen, but, he has to have let it happen in order to be all powerful. Otherwise if he were powerless to stop it, he would not be all powerful.

I feel young but old at the same time with getting divorced. Hoping someday I find someone again.

 

He doesn't make everything happen. Yes he has influence, and power but we aren't puppets.

Think of him as Bruce Lee in a fight. He does not control his opponent, but he can use the destructive actions of the enemy against him. Blows will be struck by both sides, but the flow of a fight can be influence by one with experience and skill. A punch thrown with tremendous force can be redirected to miss with a small amount of energy applied to the correct area at the correct time.

Or if you prefer, think of Neo in The Matrix. The second movie where he's fighting all the clones. Its a knock down all out brawl, but he retains a certain control over the fight.

Now I'm just rambling again....

 

Your explanation negates "all powerful", God has to be the Matrix, not Neo.

Also, I dont see how he could be in a "battle" if he is all powerful. All powerful would mean that he can just kick ***.

 

Then I guess by your definition, I don't think he's all powerful, yet.

 

Like I said, I don't think he's the all powerful OZ pulling levers and blowing smoke.

 

Not trying to get into any fights or anything, but then that kind of means the bible isn't telling the truth since it describes him as all powerful.

Also, not trying to further any agenda, but with my definition, Evil exists because God lets it, otherwise he would not be all powerful. I understand that this is a pretty conservative forum, so please don't flame me because I am NOT trying to offend anyone or take away from anyone's faith. I just find topics like these always interesting.

 

If we have free will (which the bible says) then he is not all powerful.

 

Ahh good point, I agree with that too. But, there are arguments that he is all powerful and all knowing and that we do have free will - sometime I deem mutually exclusive.

 

I actually love these kinds of discussions. Especially when it stays civil and open minded like this.

Like I said when talking about The Kingdom of God earlier. The KOG is where he get's his way, 100%, that's when he's all powerful I suppose. But we aren't fully seeing the KOG yet here on earth. It will come. It's at hand. It is here. All three, all at the same time. Just like God, the I AM. Translated meaning "I am", "I was" and "I will be" all at the same time.

We catch glimpses of it in love, healings, miracles... but it's not fully here. Jesus was/is our best example of what can happen with the power of the KOG. Yet, he was tortured and died. God's very own son came to this fate, why should we be surprised that others, less innocent, also die?

Again, all this crap I spew is only my interpretation of what I get from the bible. Of course I think I'm right, but so does everyone else

 

Fitz,

Where are you pulling the Kingdom of God on earth? I don't know where it speaks of establishing heaven on earth?

 

Yes He is... He CHOOSES to give us free will, thereby limiting Himself...that doesn't change the fact that He is all powerful ...if He wanted to make us all puppets, He could...even now, but that would go against His nature.

It's like the question, "Can God make a rock that He couldn't lift".....

 

If God chose to give us freewill and thereby limited himself, he would no longer be all powerful would he?

Also, can God make a rock he couldn't lift???

 

I am more powerful than my wife...when we have a disagreement w, I choose to not exercise that power ...

When I spanked my children, it was for correcting known disobedience or disrespect... was I not more powerful than they because I didn't crush them?

 

When I say "seeing the KOG on earth" I don't mean to imply that the earth will be where the KOG rests. But we can still see glimpses of what it may be like. I don't see it as a physical place, so much as a state of time. "When" God gets his way.

I catch glimpse of my grandfather in my dad. My grandfather is no longer here, but I can still see him if you will.

In the end, some will be invited to a place where he gets his way. 100% his way, 100% of the time. Don't think this place can be pointed out on a map, and I guess it really doesn't matter where or when it is. I just hope to be there.

These books helped me with the whole Kingdom of God thing. I don't know if it's right, but it sure made sense to me.

 

Being more powerful does not entail the same things as "All Powerful" All Powerful means that you can control everything, the way one thinks, moves, walks, breathes, everything. You cannot do that to your wife or kids.

So my question remains the same "If God chose to give us freewill and thereby limited himself, he would no longer be all powerful would he?"