Do you believe in "Divine Intervention"?

Same here. I did think it odd that I could not be a linguist in the Navy because I was colorblind though. Just because I cannot see a color does not mean I cannot speak, read, or write that color in a foreign language.

 

I see someone posts here seeking some help with a dilemma and winds up with Bible verses being thrown at him like little rocks. Helpful? I don't think so. The Bible has great value and can be a great source of guidance. But one of its unfortunate characteristics is that you can always find an insult or a putdown fitting any occasion that you can toss at someone.

You know marriage is both a legal and a spiritual act. One can be legally married but not spiritually married, even if you took your vows in a church. Your spiritual heart had to be in the right place and also that of the person you "married" or, perhaps it was never a spiritual marriage. You know you can say you are a believer and be baptized and do all the "right" things, but if your spiritual heart is not completely filled with the Spirit of God, it doesn't matter how well you can quote the Bible or how often you attend church, God must be an inseparable part of you and all you do.

So was your previous marriage(s) truly unions in spirit? Did the two of you become, as it says in the Bible, one flesh? That sounds weird, but to me it means that the two become "one person" no longer two separate entities. Did this happen? I'm not referring to the legal aspects of the government or any church. I'm referring to what you were to one another. Being a husband or a wife is much more than saying, "this is my husband" or "this is my wife." You must be part of one another or it is not a marriage.

I read in the news yesterday about a couple who had been married for many, many years. They died within hours of one another. This is kind of what I'm talking about.

 

Military has a way with that. Obviously if you put on your fleece cap you must be cold enough to put on your fleece jacket which also requires you to put on your gloves = / no all I wanted was the fleece cap and maybe gloves since those extremities get cold.

Anyways. Sachiko say it wasn't a spiritual marriage, are you saying at that point god condones divorce since it wasn't a true marriage to start with?

 

Considering how polarizing the subject of religion can be (with accompanying opportunities for those with insecurities to exhibit behavior unusual for their personality) this thread has been remarkably civil. Sounds like Chief and I have had similar experiences, save I have yet to stumble across that unique person I can fit with. Re spiritual marriages, I think a marriage like Sachiko describes is a continual work in progress. Unfortunately both sides have to give their all and if one doesn't, it can be a very difficult row to hoe.

 

Thank you for your post.

 

Muzzy. I just read this post. The native Americans being condemned or some people on a remote island condemned still doesn't make sense to me. You're stating some child down Noahs line failed to tell the story of Christ to the native americans. Since that person failed it basically condemned the whole civilization. Doesn't seem rational to me. Also you say anyone alive today probably has no way to Christ than believing in him right? There is still still a tribe in Brazil that has had no contact with outsiders and so I doubt they've heard the word of christ. There could also still be remote islands along with little villages remotely located in the middle east who have only heard of Islam and not christianity.

You also claimed that native Americans are of European descent, I didn't Google but I am pretty sure they are more Asian African than european.

Not trying to attack just pointing out the discrepancies I see.

 

With respect Muzzyman, if I am reading your answer to "what happens to those [American Indians for example] who never have the opportunity to hear of Christ, do they go to Hell for not accepting the Christ as Lord and Savior", it does not answer the question. You eloquently describe our responsibilities as parents, but what after? Say the Dad was a bowhunter who was not religiously inclined and the Mom was a hoe and left the family to go with the tribe next door. While the Dad [and mom] were negligent in their obligations, the children and the childrens children are still ignorant of the Gospel through no fault of their own. Are they still going to hell because they did not accept the Gospel?

 

Chopayne - The answer to your question is quite simple. The answer is no human knows for sure because the only one who can judge man on his virtue is God. Even though some humans want to think they have godlike characteristics, and think they know what God would do, they are wrong for only He can determine what He will do.

 

At the risk of sticking my nose in, the vast majority of Christians believe that if you do not accept Christ as Lord and Savior, you are doomed to Hell forever. Even infants dying soon after birth. I would like to think most people who believe in a God believe only he can judge man (although the Bible says Christ has delegated some of that authority to the apostles, Matt 19:27-30). The question is the fate of those who have not accepted Christ as Lord without having the opportunity to do so.

 

I am very curious to this. If anyone can provide any specific scriptures that would be appreciated.

 

Examine the source to satisfy your thirst.

 

Zedd-All the apostles have turned to dust. Jesus sits at the right hand of God and I am sure come Judgment Day it is God that will review my account. Although there are many people who like to think they are almighty and have a inclination to judge others here, when it comes to their Judgment Day it will not happen here in the City of Man, but will be in the City of God before God, and he will review their account accordngling. As far as children and those who have not had the opportunity to come to know the Lord, I do not see God as a vengeful entity that would begrudge a soul based on youth or isolation, but as a loving God who would look at the deeds of the spirit.

 

I was told if you commit sin without knowing that it was a sin, God does not count that against you, so in my mind we are just born with original sin from Adam and Eve and that's why babies get baptized to wash away their original sin, but if they are still young and don't know what sin is I don't believe God condemns them... I've also been told that some believe Jesus will come and preach for three days when we die and then we make our final decision to accept him or not, and that's why he rose on the third day..

These are just things I have heard. I am in no way a pastor priest so I'm not saying these are correct just ideas


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Which question specifically? As to young children dying... there's way too much assumed here. Most believe infants are safe until they come to an age where they are capable of understanding sin. I don't know what that age would be. Some believe infants of parents under the covenant are safe. This is why many baptize infants. I have never satisfactorily answered this question from scripture one way or the other.

As far as only those born again going to heaven... John 3 is a great starting point. Romans 1:16 says the gospel is the power to salvation. Romans 3:23, says all are sinners... Romans 6:23 says the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life... Romans 5:8 says that God demonstrated his love for us in that while we are yet sinners Christ died for us... Romans 10... says anyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.

Matthew 7 says there are two roads... one leading to destruction and the other leads to destruction. These are just off the top of my head.

 

Sadly... as I understand it... yes.

 

I do not believe this to be true at all

 

Glad to see someone say that. Some of these posts were making me glad I wasn't raised in the Christian faith.

 

Another reason I can't understand this faith. People are dammed through no fault of their own. The story of David slaying a whole civilization on his way to get the crown makes no sense to me either. I think it was the phillistines? I can possibly accept older people who had the chance to accept Christ and chose to be heathens, but God ordered the death of children too. I cannot see how children can be held guilty for either not knowing god or #2 following the faith their parents had made them follow and the only one they thought to exist.

The Bible has good teachings I won't deny that but then it also has other stories which just don't make sense to me.