Disgusted in DNR/ Fish & Game depts. (Long Rant)

Hmm. By your logic, deer should have never been reintroduced into the landscape like they were in many areas by some "mentally degenerate twit" or whatever you said, because think of all the crops that they eat now! Much better to just kill off anything that we personally dont like. Much better to pass down a ecosystem that only has the species that we agree with to the following generations...

On topic, while I agree that wildlife management shouldn't be political, the truth is that everything is. No way around that. My guess is that most of the wildlife management personnel in those states you mentioned disagree with many of the policies, but have no power to change it.

Look at florida. On the heels of multiple bear attacks, and research that showed a large population capable of sustaining hunting, they enacted a season. Quota of 300 I believe was met very quickly. Political repercussions have since caused the closure of that bear hunt, even though the agency wants to have it.

And while I agree with hunting of mtn lions, bear, wolves, etc when their populations can support it, deer evolved with those species. I find the closure of those seasons more an issue from the human safety perspective than from the perspective of deer populations.

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I can only imagine your level of frustration with that!

 

That's a very arguable point, a lot of those crops lost are mine. Though I love having deer to manage, hunt and look at...I have no problem at all saying they too were a huge mistake to be reintroduced. They have caused untold amounts of damage from crops, to vehicles to real estate.

Do I enjoy having them here now more than I don't? I still harvest some decent crops and I get to hunt them and insurance covers any losses to my crops and vehicles. I'd have to say I do enjoy them since they are here. Would I support a reintroduction of them now (if there were none) or back in the 40's....no I would not. For what it's worth, there is no insurance coverage for the losses I have incurred from the river otters. There is also coverage for losses to livestock to everything from weather to vandalism to predator losses. By that point of view, releasing the otters was economically more disasterous than bear or wolves or lions.

For one thing, the public never got a vote as to whether or not those species were reintroduced, they just did it and told the public basically to eff off. There was never any shortage of people telling them to not do it but they were ignored.

 

I can see where you are coming from, but I personally disagree with it completely. Politics is part of the discussion in this thread, and your argument is just that. You personally would politic for what suits you, more so than what is actually best for the resource/environment.

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So the NJ thing...just to play devil's advocate, that governor campaigned on closing the bear season and did so within HIS legal power. Thus the public land ban. That's as far as he could go for now. From what I read, he fulfilled a campaign promise that partly got him elected. I don't agree with the ban, but seems that is what the majority of NJ voters wanted. Glad I don't live there. As was mentioned before politics definitely impact our lives, so make sure you vote (and don't cry when your horse loses).

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Well said. I agree 100%

 

That is exactly the problem. The majority of voters in any of the states I mentioned are non hunters who are ignorant to the facts. Hunters and wildlife are being penalized for their ignorance


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I agree. Totally.

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Just what environmental need would there be for river otters in MO? Our rivers, streams, lakes and ponds were easily managed and doing very well before the re-introduction. That's the same retarded sort of argument the mental degenerates made upon the re-introduction. Those people should have been hunted down with pitch forks and burned like rabid dogs in the streets before they were allowed to do anything of the sort. The ones that did it still should be.

 

This is an ignorant argument. If the species was present before we came in and extirpated them due to overhunting/trapping/etc, then reintroducing them into the environment that they belong in is the right thing to do. They belong there. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't make you right, it just makes you opinionated

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No, your argument is the ignorant one. Just because something used to be present doesnt mean it should always be. They were removed and our environment was better off that way. By your stupid logic we should bring back the mega fauna including the cave bear and sabertooth tiger first chance we get. Hell why stop there, we could have Utah raptor and t rex running around...wouldn't that be a hoot...

 

Lmao ok. Grasping for straws and calling me stupid. Way to try to win an adult discussion.

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#makeamericaprehistoricagain

 

I resent the outright lies told by the US Fish and Wildlife stating there there are 3,000 wolves in MN, MI ,and MI. Here in Minnesota you see wolves from the border to just north of the Twin Cities, that is at least 3000 in Minnesota alone. They need to be managed yet lies keep them protected.

 

I called your logic stupid, not you but I'd happily call you a prick if it helps your point.

 

Sota-They say there are 3,000 wolves alone in MN....

 

So if a wolf eats a deer per week...that's 156,000 deer per year. Wow.

 

otter populations do not exist south of the MO/KS state lines until their re-intro? not trying to be a smart ass, honestly do not know their range, could be their range exists further north, I have always thought of them being in a cooler climate

 

I don't know their pre-re-into range either, I just know we didn't have them in MO or KS before the re-introduction. One of the guys that released them told me, "Yeah I'm sorry about that, we made a mistake. We didn't realize that they'd have such a population explosion here in MO. Down south where there was still a breeding population, alligator populations keep them in check but since they have no natural predators here in MO, we shouldn't have released them."
This was one of the big wigs in the MDOC back in the 80's who had his pic in the KC Star releasing otters in the Bates county MO drainage ditch. He was overseeing a big WRP project I was developing back in 2008 and while looking at one of the existing pools we had a family of otters come swimming up to us clacking at us. I said yeah, thanks for those a**hole, half jokingly.

Anyway so I assume by that statement that their range had been confined to an area south of MO and KS up until their reintroduction here in the 80's.