Are you telling me that indians moved to areas with little to no natural resources intentionally and have lived in poverty for generations are not suffering because they have cable TV. They were taken away from families to remove their culture and just because it happened over 100 years ago it's all good now as you live on land their ancestors did.
Just as true as the all the perfect QDMA members who are giving and unselfish (just drink the (kool-aid)
LOL I feel sorry for you Giving and unselfish is pretty spot on actually so thanks, I could introduce you to 20 different children and veterans every year who get to benefit from not only the generous Association but also the generous members who make that what it is (and that is just here locally in our little chapter). Not to mention all the FREE classes, seminars, and workshops that are held WEEKLY, every week, all year long.
Not one indian today, was taken from their land, was forced to do anything they didn't want to do. If they are poor on the reservation it is 100% by choice for staying on the reservation. Nothing is owed to Indians today for what their great great great grand parents went through My family through my grandfather was a tribe member up in Fitz's neck of the woods.
Most would consider what I do on my small 9 acres a joke, but I adopted QDM tactics by passing on bucks 2.5 and younger and by providing for them what I knew they weren't getting elsewhere and I'm actually seeing a difference. I used to shoot anything I saw, and I enjoyed it. But I wanted to challenge myself and see if improving the herd in my area was possible, even at a micro level. There's literally nothing but deep woods and animal pastures around my property and very few hunters. I hope to buy some of the surrounding land eventually, and hopefully get to where I can pass on 3.5 year old bucks and under but for now I'm just not there yet. Even at my small property level, it's actually working and the 1.5 year olds who used to be spikes are now 4 pointers, and what used to be 2.5 year old 6 pointers are now 8 pointers. By providing minerals, balanced protein and small summer food plots (getting bigger and better quality by each year), I'm very satisfied with what I've accomplished. It's definitely not for everyone, but it's a challenge and I've enjoyed it very much. The whole purpose of my "Nine Acre Archery" is to see if I can improve the herd in what ways I can, and see if I can kill a mature deer. It might sound like a dumb little hunting project but so far it's proving that QDM works, and I'm having fun.
Deer management in of itself is not a bad thing, but like anything else, it can be taken to far and extreme. I hunt for fun and for food. The only increased enjoyment I get out of taking a big deer vs a smaller deer is I get more meat to eat. I am not a trophy hunter, but I do try to do what is best to maximize the herd so me and those who hunt with me have the best hunts we can.
Stickers and Indians aside... holy off topic batman! tacklebox, sota.. go sit in the corner for a time out! No doubt QDMA works if its intensively done and can be controlled. I read an article not long ago about the difference between antler restrictions imposed by states. The theory or research goes that point restrictions only gets the buck herd so far, at which point you will reach a ceiling and perhaps do more harm to the quality of bucks than good. For example, inferior gene bucks, who will never be legal in some states, are allowed to walk and breed, while the bucks that are not legal at say 2 1/2 but are at 3 1/2 are removed from the herd. Sort of makes sense I guess. But that is not the point of this discussion. The question that my freinds and I raised was this. At what point does the general hunting public begin looking at these operations, the Lakosky's, Kisky's, Drury's, etc., and lump them in with the folks the operate high fence operations. Maybe lump them in is the wrong term. When will folks hear about the 217" deer one of those folks, for example, kills and just think "farm raised". Like it or not, thats what these folks are doing. They are farming these deer and doing everything in their control to ensure they stay on their properties for them to kill on camera. Honestly, I have no problem what so ever. I don't even watch any of these shows really. But I can honestly say that when I hear about the Lakosky's, Drury's or Kisky's killing an enormous deer, it has less luster to it than when I hear about the average joe doing it, etc. And this is NOT taking a single thing away from these guys. They worked their butts off to get the property, manage it, get the sponsorships, etc to fund it and have the know how to make it work business wise. They have a passion for giant whitetails and everything that goes into growing them. But that may be the ultimate downfall of these folks. They're growing them, fence or not fence.
What does any of this have to do with whether or not Indians should be allowed to practice QDM? Try and stay on topic will ya?
I wish Virginia would purchase and or open up huge blocks of timber that border all the major rivers and open them up to hikers and hunters...by the hundreds of thousands of acres.
I think it's about how the Indians didn't practice QDM, and were forced off their lands because of it.
I'm an Indian outlaw....half Cherokee and Choctaw. My baby? She's a Chippewa...... Do Indians take hero photos?
There is no way that anybody that hunts wouldn't enjoy hunting the farms that the drurys, lakoskys, etc have to hunt. The only reason that people are against that type of thing is because they don't have it. Like was stated before, these groups do an incredible amount of work to make their farms great and I'm all for it. Its not even close to being compared to high fence in my opinion. These people aren't walking up to these deer and killing them.
It is their life, their money, their land. Good for them and I hope they have a blast hunting big deer.
Typed up a huge post about QDMA but then deleted it. (Sticker on my truck) There are concerns with people taking advantage of this increase of hunting media. But how do they exist? Other hunters. Jim Bob, the meat hunter, tunes into their shows to watch big bucks get shot. If they want to manage the deer around their property then more power to them. It'll be put into the same category as high fence once a fence goes up. Free range is free range. Not saying I'm impressed. Seeing any bucks from guys on here gets me more excited.
You took offence to something I did not mean as an insult to you or those you know, that being said the use of the I feel sorry for you is pathetic weak sauce. Sorry if I was out of line but QDMA is positive and and means well but don't pretend that $ is not a motivating factor, also the movement does have it's elitists, and the only good buck is a monster buck attitude that is so front and center in the "industry"
