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  1. MHSfootball86

    MHSfootball86 Weekend Warrior

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    I am shooting a new Bear Strike at 29" and 60# draw. I am shooting carbon express predator 2 6075 arrows at 29.5 inches with 100g G5 Montec CS's.
    Yesterday i was over my girlfriends house shooting with her dad and at 25 yrds i could put 3-4 arrows in a playing card sized area. Today i was trying out my new broad heads and i was figuring i would have to tune them. everything started off okay then at 30 yrds the broad heads started hitting all over the place. I looked at the easton tuning guide and started shooting 3 field points then 3 BHs. At 20 yrds today i couldn't hit within a 6in square with the field points. I didn't touch anything in terms of sights or my arrow rest (trophy ridge whisker biscuit) and am at a loss for what to do next. My form was as close to the same as i was shooting yesterday and was almost perfectly the same between each shot.

    My bow was paper tuned when i bought it and was shooting bullet holes when I left. After sighting in I was pretty good at 10, 20, and 30.

    Any one have any pointers for me as to where to go from here?
    Could I have to resight in due to the string stretching?

    Thanks ahead of time
     
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    stuntriders Weekend Warrior

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    I would keep digging into the easton tuning guide. Don't be afraid of paper tuning and bare shaft tuning again. Make sure your nock point isn't moving.

    Also make sure your anchor point is the same every shot.

    Hope you get it figured out soon!

    BTW, this isn't what I would consider a "long read" :tu:
     
  3. MHSfootball86

    MHSfootball86 Weekend Warrior

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    I am hoping it was just me getting tired. I am going to retry shooting with field points tomorrow and see if i can get decent groupings. if not i am going to take my bow to a pro shop and see if they will help. If the groupings are good i will probably start the BH tuning again and hope for the best.

    I was figuring on the post being a lot longer then what it actually ended up being.
     
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    stuntriders Weekend Warrior

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    Never a bad idea to let some pros look at it!
     
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    OHbowhntr Die Hard Bowhunter

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    Don't waste any time paper or bare shaft tuning, you don't need to. Practice your FORM, draw, come to a comfortable and consistent anchor point, and hold that bow while aiming all the way through the shot. As if you're trying to watch the arrow through the peep. Practice FORM, FORM, FORM. Draw, anchor, settle pin, breathe, gently squeeze trigger while holding the bow on the target, and make sure you watch that arrow right through your peep.

    Get rid of the 10yd pin, there is NO NEED for a 10yd pin. I set most of my bows up at 24-25yds for my first pin. The difference between 10 and 20 yds with most bow is so minimal, even with pins sitting right on top of pins, you can't really set up a 10 and 20yd pin. Start with a 20yd pin and then a 30yd pin, maybe more optimally a 22yd pin and a 30 yd pin, and work from there. This opens up your view a bit more so the pins are comsuming less of your focus. Remember FORM, FORM, FORM. If you're not shooting consistent groups, then paper and bare shaft tuning are aa WASTE of time PERIOD!!! But in all honesty, if you get to shooting good groups again, then you can do a walkback tune and then broadhead tune, and you're bow should be GOOD at that point.
     
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    Don't have a 10 yrd pin. I just aim low with the 20 yrd pin. got that pointer from another thread i posted a few weeks ago. It has really helped my shooting at 20, well had helped. I will take a step back and exam my form to see what i can to do improve it. thanks for your tips. by the end of my session i was literally ready to give up for a while.
     
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    This could be something as simple as your release on your arrow. I practiced a bunch this year and was hitting within one inch at 20 yards on almost every shot I took. One day I was missing 4-6" low and left on half my shots. I couldn't figure it out. Than my bro watched my shoot and said I was hammering my release. I would have swore that I wasn't, but I guess I was keeping my finger half inch away from the trigger and hit it hard at the shot instead of resting my finger on it and squeezing it.
     
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    KodiakArcher Die Hard Bowhunter

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    The fact that you asked about your string stretching (which is actually creeping) tells me right away what the problem is... Check the spec.'s on the bow (ATA, brace, max. poundage) and get them back in and then retune.
     
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    OHbowhntr Die Hard Bowhunter

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    First rule of archery, when you get FRUSTRATED with your bow and want to throw it, gently place it in the case and put it away. And even after shooting pretty regularly for over 20yrs, I still get to that point occasionally.
     
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    Just got done doing a little bit more tuning. broad heads were shooting a little low but i was getting tired so i am not making any more adjustments until a later date. The field points however are hitting at the right height but left. Any chance this is due moving the arrow rest away from the bow to get the BH's lined up correctly?
     
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    Anytime you make an adjustment, there will be a noted change. I have been experimenting with my bow's arrow rest, peep sight, and lbs of draw.

    If you moved your arrow rest to accommodate the broad head...that could be an issue. Look at this...

    arrow rest original position to bow string below:

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    Center
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    string





    Notice the notches to the right are not aligned which could represent the space the broadhead takes up/ and how you adjusted it....

    I am not sure how much this will cause change, but it definitely will.

    Hope this helps!!!
     
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    If that doesn't help, think of it this way based off being a right hand shooter which I am assuming you are....

    If you moved your arrow rest to the left, this may explain why you are now hitting left of the target. This is because the angle which the arrows leave the rest has been modified to fit the space of your broadhead.
     
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    I agree with this. My bow shot well for 4 or 5 months with the factiry Bear strings, then all heck broke loose as far as my groups. Checked my specs and a mark I made on my cam where it lines up with the limbs, and my cam was advanced around 1/4" and my A2A was over by nearly half an inch. I put new 452X string/cable on and its in spec and is staying that way. If you are still shooting the factory string/cable, change them. You can twist some to get back to spec for now, but mine just kept getting outta wack till I changed them.
     

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