This is a great video that shows what I've believed about CE's advertising gimmicks for a long time. I know they make a good arrow but their claims are getting to be as ridiculous as their prices. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HT0JMQ31KLQ
Yep , i called it BS before when i ran my own tests on them , way over priced for there little gimic.......Thanks for posting i enjoyed the video.
WOW!! I have not been too impressed with the few CE products I have bought so far but, now I am not sure I would buy any of their products again. I have been thinking about buying some Easton Axis Infused now that I have my Apache rest on though. I really like those arrows. I was expecting to be somewhat surprised at this but, not that surprised. I would have expected at least some weight forward to be there. Weight Rearward?
Loved the video, very interesting. I just love the way these catchy names get added to products to make us think it's some huge improvement. Too bad to. I thing the CE maxima is a good arrow but I got real suspcious when they came out with this lastest dual spine thing. Another catchy name that comes to mind, and one of my personal favorites, is Centered Subject Technology. Genius I tell you, pure genius. Blessings........Pastorjim
Eh, there were a few flaws in his testing. For starters I would like to see bare shafts cut in half and weighed. It's good to see the spine is consistent though. The knocks will weigh more than the same size section of arrow, especially a CE with the collar. For the record yes I do currently shoot carbon express. It's not because some marketing scheme though, I'm typically on the skeptical side. You can skew the results of any tests, even if you don't mean to, I have years of testing to prove this. I've found there are a lot of gimicks and claims in all industries so you have to keep that in mind when making a purchase. I didn't buy my blue streaks because of the weight forward. I bought them because I wanted an 8.3 gpi, .340 spine arrow, they were in stock at my local shop, they look cool and he gave me a deal on them. He really did like his easton arrows though. Just another try and debunk video, they're a dime a dozen.
So you're saying you believe that little lack of microfilm on the back 1/3 of the arrow truly effects the balance and spine of the front half of the arrow? I do agree that the bare shaft analysis would have been more conclusive but, they were tested "out-of-the-box" just as they come; nocks and collars installed. The shooting test would also have been more conclusive if it had been done with a shooting machine. However his point was to show that for all their gimmicks and advertising, their arrows aren't any better than ones that cost 1/3 less and are quite likely worse. They make a good arrow and we used to sell them almost exclusively until their advertising claims started stretching the facts and their prices started climbing through the roof. I'm just surprised that they haven't been sued for false advertising yet. Bottom line; it's your money, spend it on what makes you happy. If you want me to order you CE Maximas at $160 a dozen I'll gladly do it. Don't expect to see me shooting them though when I can get just as good or better arrow for $110 a dozen.
I enjoyed the video as well. I shoot the older style CE Hunter Maxima. I'm trying to figure out the cost that is stated here because I get a dozen shafts for $120/dozen. Perhaps the news ones cost that much more? I was planning on going to a cheaper arrow next year when I upgrade bows.
No need to test a bare shaft... if there truly was "weight-forward technology", it would have overshadowed merely having the bulldog collar and nock installed... Bogus marketing claims exposed, as most of us knew all along... Wonder if the same group who sued Scent-Lok will sue Carbon Express?
Take the nock out and i'd be willing to bet that the halfs weigh exactly the same. That's not what the MF is advertising right? They're saying that it's heavier up front. The spine consistent? Isn't that what they are trying to say that it's not consistent by design?
Glad I have been shooting the Easton AXIS NANO arrows. They are tough and shoot well as long as I am shooting well
Again I'm not trying to defend CE's marketing. We all know the gimicks. However, for all the gimicks there is an entire group of people who develop a test to disprove the claims. These people are just as bad with their claims. If you're trying to compare shaft weight, why would you leave the knock and collar in, that's not part of the shaft? This video is no different than the "broadhead test" videos on youtube. I watched these guys shoot 2 differnt broadheads, each into a gallon jug of fluid. It was determined that one was superior over the other based solely on the amount of liquid that came out. Are you serious!!!! One guy's shot was 2 inches lower, of course more will come out. Sorry for the rant, but just remember, for all the marketing gimicks put out by manufacturers there is a whole group of people with testing gimicks that aren't any better.
Same saying has been true for as long as people have been making purchases: Buyer Beware!! Do your homework, then spend your money. If you believe CE, buy their stuff. if you don't believe CE, buy someone elses stuff. Simple as that. Same as everything else out there. Muzzy is best, Rage is best, G5 is best, Spothogg is best, Truball is best, Mathews, Bowtech, PSE, Elite, Etc Etc Etc. Lots of choices, lots of info, lots of decisions to make. I know what I like, and it probably isn't what you like, and that's OK.
Agree 100%. Buy what works for you. I just went from extreme hunter ($80/dozen) to CE Mayhem 350 ($80 a half dozen) and you have no idea what kind of improvement it made. I went from 8 inch groups at 50 yrds to 4 inch groups. I did my homework and its paying off. I like Carbon Express and it works for me so I buy it. If you don't like it, don't buy it.
I could care really care less... but when we all figure our arrows's FOC to discuss amongst ourselves on this forum, do we not include the total finished arrow, to include the nock? (The answer is "yes" in case anyone out there wonders..) And all he was doing was testing the shaft as it came from the manufacturer; if they want to cast their arrows in a better light to match up with their advertising claims, perhaps they should manufacture a different nock system that doesn't include the bulldog collar for their "weight-forward" series... But the truth is -- as was blatantly exposed -- is there is NOTHING special about these shafts save they don't put the camo paint all the way down. THAT is the extra "weight" on the arrow, and what would perhaps technically save them from a false advertising claim... And I guess if you were able to measure down to the .000001 percent of an inch on a spine tester, that thin film of paint may change the spine to that degree as well. Either way, ridiculous claims -- and not really defensible, IMO. Are there other tests where the testing methods are just as biased the other way and lose their own credibility in the process of trying to disprove the very product they're evaluating? Yep, you bet -- and to that point I agree whole-heartedly with you... This just ain't one of 'em.
I've never shot an arrow without a nock, you? pretty obviously you're going to include it in your measurements, I want to know what the front and back of that shaft weighs in flight, not in the box before the nock has been inserted! and if they want to boast their superiority they should be creating an arrow with FOC that over-comes the added weight of THEIR collar system and nock. I thought the video was very fair, he wasnt talking crap about the product. Every arrow on the market is going to kill a deer if you are practiced with it, and know where it's going to hit, that wasnt the point. People are paying 1/3 more than the next leading arrow for false claims. for that price they better be made of Ivory, and shoot themselves!
All my arrows have a knock, they all have an insert as well, so why not inclue that as well if that's your thinking?The results would be much different, +6 grains or so on the front side. You're totally missing the point here with what I said. I'm not saying CE's marketing gimicks are correct, I'm saying that the basement youtube tests on them are no different than the gimicks. If you want to prove there is "dual spine, weight forward" technology or whatever it is, take it to a REAL lab.
Sorry I'm a little late in getting to this thread. I came across it and was glad to see people talking about FOC of arrows. It's not something that many archers seem to be aware of. It's a shame to see companies marketing in a way that doesn't reflect in their products. We are an archery accessory company that sells a product that actually does add weight to the front of your arrow. They're called the Bad Boys™ and they're a weighted outsert that is easy to install and remove. They come in a bunch of sizes so that you can get the weight that you want. The coolest part about them is the fact that they don't require you to re-sight your bow after installation. They are engineered to rise up on your arrow rest according to their weight, so they self-compensate. Check them out and let me know what you think! https://pro-tracker.com/bad-boys-arrow-weight/
