Even if the administration really thought they were being truthful saying it was a spontaneous demonstration, I have concern that it takes his foreign policy team 14 days to figure out what really happened. These are the same people that are are feeding him info on who our allies and enemies are, and advice on what we should do and when. To take 14 days to figure this out shows me that we don't have the right people in the right places handling international matters. It's going to be interesting to watch Monday's debate......since that's foreign policy focused I imagine that will be a blood bath of a debate with the recent happenings. It will also be another opportunity to bring up Fast and Furious. Obama better get his **** in one sock for next week.......
I don’t really watch debates and I’m a political/historical junkie. The problem I find with them… there nothing more than hearsay. You get two anybody’s to sit in a room when questions are asked and those two dudes will likely say whatever it is that needs to be said to get them elected. So really… what’s the point? You know they’re both lying before it even begins. With the exception of the Lincoln/Douglas debates in Illinois over 100 years ago… they’re meaningless IMO. What made that Lincoln/Douglas debate so great… neither was already president. They were just two dudes vying for Illinois voters. With that said… I did happen to catch the last twenty minutes or so of them last night only because facebook was inundated with one sided remarks so I turned it on… knowing I would be missing a few good scenes from Friday the 13[SUP]th[/SUP] part 4 (which was on AMC). The president to me is not the politician I so hated 4 years ago. And it seems every candidate rerunning for the office is the same as he is now. They learn at that point what they can and cannot do… so they’re almost somber. GW was the same way. But what I did see from Obama I actually liked.. the question was about bringing back jobs from China. Romney answered first a pretty well orchestrated response that was meaningless (because he’s looking to get elected) any politician would say the same… a basic white lie. Our president said… very truthfully… “some jobs aren’t coming back”. And that right there is the difference between a politician running for the office of the president and the current president. I remember noting to myself that same change in Bush… they obviously learn some pretty harsh realities in office that they cannot ever say in public. Four years ago… Obama’s answer would have sounded like Romney’s (only with more panache of course). So… what it ultimately comes down to for American voters still hovering on whom to choose. Do they go with the incumbent who already has the experience of president and ride on his wisdom he surely would have gained… or do they break away and put their faith on someone who is nothing more than a politician at this point. And since all politicians lie (a given) the biggest liars are often those with the least amount of experience. It’s just a natural part of running for office of the most powerful dude on the planet without actually knowing what you’re getting into. The point of my general rhetoric is this… boiling down to any debate…. In the presidential debate the politician running for office of president (and not already there) must lie through his teeth to get in… and the incumbent must simply defend his position of mistakes made. So… like I said before… debates are rather meaningless unless the two men entering were not already there. And even then they are just hearsay… but at least no one has already been burdened by the office of president and what it entails. So no one has to be in complete defense the whole time. I find it rather amusing when regular Americans think they actually know more than the president does. I liked some of the things Romney said in the first debate (which I watched most of because nothing better was on). The problem… I know they’re complete lies to get in and nothing more. Much like the same lies told 4 years earlier by the incumbent.
So Mike, in a nutshell......if someone is elected they should automatically be reelected to a second term because they have "experience" and the challenger is nothing but a liar? (No matter the party)
No.. your response is given because you believe I am making fun of your candidate. I'm not.. I made fun of debates. Nothing more. Showing why the system can't change because Americans are too busy defending their candidate and not questioning the system as a whole. It's basically the same party... basically the same lies... told over and over again to get a vote. What difference does the candidate make... the companies who back them get what they want and you get another lying politician... and 4 years from now another "great candidate" to vote for. History repeats itself. Why? You just answered why... because you're (Americans) are not willing to look past your (their) candidate. You proved that by simply defending him. I just explained to you.. they're the same. In 4 years.. during the next presidential debates.. if Romney is elected.. it will be the exact same as I already mentioned above with regards to debates. Only now you'll defend the incumbent because that's your guy (political party). It's the same.. and history repeats itself again and again and again. Debates are worthless.
Actually, once again, you're way off on why I said what I did. He's not "my" candidate. Though, I believe he is much more capable to run the country than Obama. (Yeah, I get it, you believe I'm naive to think they are different.) As a matter of fact, I believe debates are a joke myself. Honestly, what can be said by a candidate with a very limited time to reply other than talking points and cliff notes? (Some call them lies, because there is no way to go in depth during that limited time and their responses are all so vague that they can be twisted any way to be seen as lies.) Right now, this country needs to be run like a business. That's what I believe and I'll vote for the candidate that I believe has more experience in this department. Do I honestly believe Romney will be able to run it like that when he gets into office? No. But, I'll give him a chance.
Last I heard, Timmy was excited about the exciting opportunity for an exciting position. He was so excited about the excitement surrounding his excitement with this exciting chance. Haven't heard from him since. Guess his excitement ran out.
Gary, Not so surprised this would be your response, because I already know who you're voting for anyway, but for the rest of us, I think we deserve better. The president failed to acknowledge the said "terrorist act" until a couple weeks later, and called it a spontaneous "mob attack," or whatever else he called it, until our guys got the "real 411," then he could call it a terrorist attack.... The Libyan President didn't hesitate to call it a terrorist attack, acknowledging it was a planned attack by an Islamist Militia, but our own president who said he had, then later it's found really didn't is also the same guy who was in charge when MORE SECURITY was request by those now deceased diplomats, and his administration denied that request. Just one of a few issues that the Pro-Obama people are calling a victory "fact check," when in fact it's a LIE.... As far as Romney's record goes, he's a very ASTUTE business man who left Massachussetts in better shape than before he served as governor there, he also donated his pay for that job as well as with the Olympic Committee when in Salt Lake City, and kept both on budget, something that Obama certainly has NOT done. Bush created a deficit, but we were also fighting two wars, bailing out the auto-industry (in a big part because of some unsound business plans which left the auto-industry hostage to unions demanding MORE than their workers were really worth), surviving the attacks of 9-11, re-building a military that the prior president (Clinton) had gutted, etc. Obama really has acccomplished NOTHING all the while DOUBLING our deficit, and from what I saw of the use of those "stimulus" funds, if you didn't work for a state/county government, you weren't likely to be on the receiving end of any of those fund$$$... Not sure how it was done everywhere else, but our local and state road maintenance project were funded by that said stimulus, and Obama's insignia was placed on a sign showing us that our roads were getting their general maintenance because of his stimulus.... Glad to hear that we can create a debt my grandchildren will have to pay because government can't budget money well enough to maintain our infrastructure.... And don't post me over with the extremist Tea-Party-ers who are absolutely against taxes, because I'm wise enough to recognize that we need to pay taxes to pay for the maintenance of our infrastructure, pay our military, and pay social security and medicare, but beyond that the number of entitlements in this country is KILLING this country!!!! I think we both know a PA State trooper who was not paid for a period of time by his over-extended state, but while he and many other state employees were left unpaid, the state was still paying the welfare recipients their checks.... Makes you wonder about the priorities a little don't it????
And I ask of you... is that true? Your "pure" intentions for voting for Romney. Because.. I'm doubting it. Only you can answer that. To not sound naive you have to pretend your voting for someone based on what you think is right for our country. Because in the long run.. we men don't want to appear foolish. But.. in reality... are you just voting GOP because that's what you call yourself? Would it be any different if you were a democrat? Again.. don't answer.. as I know the truth would not come out.. over the internet... in front of pals. Decisions made in such ways are naive... and that is what either party hopes for... decisions made to govern the peoples lives by misinformed.. ill-informed.. biased voters. That is what wins elections. How do you know a businessman is what this country needs? Isn't business involved too much already into politics and government? How would a businessman fix this? Raise tariffs on imports/exports? Reduce taxes on themselves? How do you suppose other businesses feel about either? Particularly those who are backing him with money. I'm not calling you naive... only you can answer that truthfully to yourself. But.. if you're voting for either Obama or Romney.. make sure you're doing it not because that's what you think you're "supposed" to do. Again... only you can answer that. My question would be.. since you're all about voting with logic and are not biased. Have you ever voted democrat? Truthfully? Again.. don't answer Danno. There's no point.
I would prefer we run a responsible government, but I am not holding my breath. I am serious I am voting for Rancid http://www.politics1.com/p2012.htm Or Gary Johnson. Look at all the folks running. I promise anyone this, I will not vote for Romney or Obama. I am done with both parties, I will no longer accept "lesser of two evil" line. We have serious issues, and neither of those two can solve them IMO.
Duke, I think your responses are... very thoughtful. I mean that in a "I thought this out" kinda way, not a "how nice" kinda way. I'm sure a lot of people vote via the one punch method. I think your take on debates is refreshing, and ultimately pretty close to reality.
Did you learn this condescending, elitist tone from "your" candidate? Only you can answer that, but please dont.
The only thing there is no point in Mike is trying to have a normal political conversation with you. Your supposed political intellect is nothing more than political arrogance. Nearly every single assumption you made about me above is false. But, instead of having a discussion about the above assumptions, you try to belittle me. Its been a pretty common theme with you over the last few years. I ask you a question and instead of answering it you try to twist it around and make assumptions about what you think you know about me. You think your comments are sarcastic and you have some sort of dry humor. I see through it Mike. Its obvious, there's something you don't like about me. Let me make one recommendation to you. Put your little boy pants on and come out and say what it is, because your constant attempt to try and belittle me is transparent, childish and frankly, quite amusing. Oh, and by the way, I have voted for a Democrat a number of times. Not that you really care, as that blows up your whole post and shoots too many holes in your assumptions of me.
Do any of you honestly believe you can cut taxes by 5 trillion, and make enough cuts in the budget to balance it without touching Medicare, SS or defense? If we were to run like a business the first two things we should do and any good business owner would do is cut expenses and raise revenue. For the other group, what policy's and leadership has Obama shown to deserve another 4 years? What policy has he passed that has lowered the deficit? Besides Obama care and stimulus can anyone name a bill he passed or put together?
