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CWD & the Future of Deer Hunting

Discussion in 'Bowhunting Talk' started by Justin, Jul 19, 2017.

  1. Wiscohunter

    Wiscohunter Die Hard Bowhunter

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    Ok so the only answer is to create a vaccine, let hunters or whoever put it out in maybe the form of feed pellets or whatever else would work and have the deer eat it. How do you pay for the vaccine research and development?
     
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    Yeah you evidently are not aware that corn pile ronny has been banned from posting at every major bow hunting website. Have you ever pondered why your father is loathed? Your father is banned from this website his comments should be as well. You two just don't get it.
     
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    Why don't you fill in those of us that aren't aware of what you're talking about.
     
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    Rancid Crabtree, banned from here, banned from AT, banned from bowsite. Rancid used to love to call any hunter that planted a food plot a baiter was transfixed in calling hunters baiters, then he got busted hunting over a corn pile. Innovative likes to say his Dad was fined for feeding deer out of season but if you do an online search on Rancid Crabtree busted for baiting and you can read an article that includes comments Rancid made to the CO that busted him about how and when he placed the corn and his intention, he shot a spike off that corn pile.

    Rancid was also very involved in bowhunting in WI he served on boards and was a very visible in the hunting community. To get busted breaking a baiting law while acting as the voice of hunters is worse than just being your average Joe getting busted. Plus ask any moderator here Rancid in general could be most considered the single biggest jackass poster in the history of this site.
     
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    I agree with Justin. If they found a vaccine it would get administrated. Deer hunting is too popular to have a solution and nobody does anything about it.
     
  6. Innovative Outdoorsman

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    I don't know that that's the "Only" answer but its a far cry better than anything offered up thus far. You will want to know that Canadian and other researchers announced this activity back in 2010 and have made progress to that end.

    https://www.outdoorhub.com/news/201...ine-partially-successful-protecting-deer-cwd/

    http://cwd-info.org/first-successful-vaccination-against-mad-cow-like-wasting-disease-in-deer/

    As to who or how its funded, the often hated cervid farming community is anxious to aid the funding since healthy deer are a cash crop for them so its an investment in their livelihood.

    http://buckbreeders.com/articles/canada-helps-fund-research-cwd-vaccine

    Canada is also investing in the advancement.

    https://www.canada.ca/en/news/archi...-vaccine-against-chronic-wasting-disease.html

    https://www.realagriculture.com/201...ease-vaccine-development-receives-1m-funding/

    Deer of certain gene types have shown a resistance to contracting CWD. If a buck of that gene type breads a doe with the like gene type, their offspring show a resistance to contraction of the disease. The same for elk. So while humans are seeking a cure, nature is doing the same thing.

    http://cwd-info.org/study-finds-elk-may-be-able-to-adapt-to-chronic-wasting-disease/
     
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    Lol, ah...yeah I'm familiar with Rancid Crabtree. I didn't realize IO had a legendary dad.
    I'm not going to hold that against anyone, I've known several people that hunt over bait, it's legal here in KS. I don't really think it's sporting but whatever.
    As far as being banned from forums, well some of us aren't blessed with that little voice that says "uh uh uh...use some restraint, it'll work out better if you stay calm and civil". I have that inner voice but I tell it to eff off too often and instead listen to the one that says, "Go ahead,do it...it'll be fun". :lol:

    Anywho from the info I've read about CWD, I haven't read anything from IO or his dad that strikes me as wrong on the issue. I don't see that it matters what personal history there is on forums.
     
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    In the US, the National Institute of allergy and infectious diseases in Montana is funding CWD research and also funds prion disease research in university labs. Two other Institutes at the National Institutes of Health also fund prion disease research, the National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke and the National Institute on Aging. They are making strides is not only understanding CWD and CJD but developing ways to test for it, deactivating it and other therapeutic approaches. Research on prion disorders is taking place globally since its not unique to North America. The list of institutes seeking ways to resolve this issue are long.

    http://prioninstitute.ca/content/funded-projects


    http://www.nature.com.edgesuite.net/subjects/prion-diseases


    Michigan state is working to address the issue.


    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/03/170320162305.htm


    When you read that this state or that state are banning baiting or the use of urine based scents or adding an antlerless season to reduce deer numbers or are hiring sharpshooters, you can applaud these efforts but understand that those are just humans thinking “if we do something we can square it with ourselves that we are having an impact and in control of the situation.” When nothing could be further from the truth.
     
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    Doing something for the sake of doing something rarely turns out well. It could be argued that if any deer have a resistance or could possibly build resistance to it in the areas where mass killing happens that the "managers" are actually killing the best chance at deer species survival.

    Sometimes nature just has to sort things out.
     
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    If we don't kill them all they might die.:bow:
     
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    Nice, a new Armageddon scenario for 2018. People love to be scared out of their minds no matter what suspension of disbelief is needed to do so. This is exactly like the scare we've had thrown at us for decades now about a killer meteor or super volcano in yellowstone. If it's possible and statistical likely...we're screwed and nothing to be done bout it.

    Red flag alert:
    “It’s a bad way to die. The animals are emaciated and waste away, and ultimately die from aspiration pneumonia because the swallowing reflex is affected and saliva gets into the lungs, or they freeze to death because they have no more body fat,” says Tracy Nichols, a molecular biologist and staff officer with USDA’s Veterinary Services Cervid Health Program in Fort Collins, Co.


    On average whitetail deer have an approximate two-year CWD incubation period from infection to death. Although deer appear and act healthy for the vast majority of the disease duration, they can transmit CWD during nearly the entire span. (It is detectable in bodily fluids from infected animals as early as three months.) Deer directly contract CWD through infectious saliva, feces and urine, or indirectly via soil ingestion, foraging or a water source contaminated with prion proteins.


    Okay, if it's detectable from any bodily fluid within 3 months...then why the living eff are we continuously told there is no viable way to test confined animals for it without killing the entire herd and pulling brain tissue samples?!?!?!?!?!?! Are you #@%*$# kidding me??????? My gosh there is some serious bullshittery going on with this stuff fellas...seriously WTFudge is going on here?
     
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    Actually, it was identified in 1967 in a captive herd. Did it exist before then? Who knows. It may have due to the open nature and low human and deer populations out west. Hard to identify something if it is not observed. I'm not saying it has been around forever.

    If this was just a western mule deer disease, I don't think we would know as much as we do now.
     
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    The article was written by a tech editor for an Ag magazine - there's a pretty high likelihood that's a mistake. All credible scientific sources agree there is currently no good way to live test animals for CWD. They are working on it, and one test has shown promise that it's accurate, but it has yet to be fully accepted and implemented at scale.

    https://www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/ourfocus/wildlifedamage/programs/nwrc/sa_spotlight/ct_cwd_jul08

    Direct from the USDA

     
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    The Alabama senate just voted in favor of baiting deer and hogs. All it will cost is an extra $16 on top of the license fee.


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