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Discussion in 'Bowhunting Talk' started by Innovative Outdoorsman, Jul 19, 2017.

  1. Innovative Outdoorsman

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    Testing is available to 100% of those that wish to have their meat tested. Most in WI don't bother testing since people have been eating CWD infected meat for more than 50 years with no health issues linked to brain disorders. That's a very large sample size of people over 50 years. Now there is a real time study for you since some are interested in humans contracting CWD and not monkeys getting CWD from eating infected monkeys.

    I would not eat CWD infected monkey meat and walk right by it when I'm at the Pick-n-Save, even if its on sale.
     
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    I'd gladly pay a couple bucks extra for my tags, to fund more testing especially for the few counties where it is concentrated.
     
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    Testing is available, but not mandatory. I think it should be mandatory until the CDC says it is safe to eat.
     
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    I have a question, I've heard it both ways about CWD spread to humans but what about Coyotes or Wolves as a whole they eat a lot more deer then people do? If this has been answered I missed it
     
  5. Innovative Outdoorsman

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    Like humans, yotes and wolves likewise enjoy a species barrier. Its been tested and tested and tested.
     
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    CDC and WHO both recommend not eating venison that tests positive for CWD.
     
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    If it is safe to eat, why does the CDC say not to eat it?

    Were we ever told Mad Cow disease could not be spread to humans? Will history repeat itself?
     
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    Durkin style sensationalism.

    Sent from my XT1254 using Bowhunting.com Forums mobile app
     
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    Scientifically speaking, they can never be 100% certain so they will not go out on the limb and risk the potential lawsuits.

    Anybody can take a deer in to get tested if they desire.
     
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    This makes total sense and that is why you and I will never eat beef tainted with Mad Cow disease.
     
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    Well it has been proven than BSE can spread to human through eating infected meat. It has only been theorized that it MAY be possible to spread CWD from an infected deer to a human by eating the meat. To date it has never happened and the CDC very closely analyzes all cases of CJD (human prion disease) each year to determine where it may have come from.

    The WHO and CDC both advise against it simply because they know that it isn't an improbability for it to happen at some point in time. Even if the chances are 1 in 100 million, they still exist. They certainly don't want to look like the bad guys if someone does get it and then says "They told us it was okay to eat it!" Dying a slow, painful death from a prion disease sounds like an awful way to go.

    Statistically speaking we're infinitely more likely to die from a variety of things we take for granted every single day of our lives - driving our cars, climbing into our stands, climbing up ladders, taking our dog for a walk, etc. None of us give a second thought to any of those things, yet there is always some risk of death associated with them. If anyone is seriously concerned with contracting CWD from eating a positive deer, they are quite simply scared of the wrong things. You've got a better chance of getting struck by lightning and winning the lottery on the same day than you do of getting CWD. And that's a fact.
     
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    Well there is no reason not to take advantage of getting the deer you shot tested if it is available.
     
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    People cant get CWD (the cervid version of a prion disease) so you are almost correct but we know you mean CJD and or VCJD (the human prion disease) I will disagree because the CDC says your odds are 1:1 million which are better odd than winning the lottery on the day you get struck by lightening. Your odds of getting VCJD are higher than CJD and in fact were very high in 1995 in the tiny land mass that is great Britain. :busted:

    That being said, your odds are very low (but perhaps not as low as you attempted to represent) but still very low. ;)
     
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    All are free to chose if its important to them. After all the hype in WI, the rate of people who think its important enough to test is very low (they are in the minority) but the testing is available to all that care to do it. We don't test any of our deer and we live and hunt in CWD counties.
     
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    I guess I'll restate my point - your odds of contracted vCJD by eating CWD infected deer meat are less than getting struck by lightning and winning the lottery on the same day.

    You're correct that you do stand a 1.5 in 1 million chance of contracting CJD through other means - which nobody has actually figured out yet.
     
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    Then you did not understand my post. I think you meant to type "your odds of contracted vCJD by eating CWD infected deer meat are GREATER than getting struck by lightning and winning the lottery on the same day."

    Because they are

    Lightening strike odds 1 : 280,000


    Powerball winning odds 1: 292 million


    Odds of having both happen in the same day are in the billions.

    Odds of getting VCJD from meat would be GREATER. (since over 200 people got mad cow from meat in 1995)

    Both are highly improbable/unlikely but I think if calculated the odds of getting VCJD from deer are greater than a lightening/lottery combo. C-mon bowhunting season. We are left doing math to kill time. :bigcry:

     
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    How can my odds be greater if it's not possible due to the species barrier?
     
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    Innovative what do you think needs to be done about CWD then? Nothing? More deer tags? Unlimted doe tags? Clearly you are for the use of baiting, so bait bans isn't the answer So instead of blaming "junk science" what are your solutions. If its way overblown and some inside DNR conspiracy what should they do to stop it?
     
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    There is no answer to CWD, but there is zero question that the congregation of deer around a bait pile can and will spread CWD at a greater rate than normal deer interaction without bait. There is a substantial amount of saliva, feces and urine left in and around bait sites, which most scientists agree is a major contributing factor to CWD's spread. Eliminating bait and mineral sites isn't going to eliminate jack squat, but it most certainly is going to help slow the spread.
     
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    "The WHO and CDC both advise against it simply because they know that it isn't an improbability for it to happen at some point in time. Even if the chances are 1 in 100 million, they still exist. They certainly don't want to look like the bad guys if someone does get it and then says "They told us it was okay to eat it!" Dying a slow, painful death from a prion disease sounds like an awful way to go." - Are you making this assumption or did they state this?
     

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