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Cull or Managment ???

Discussion in 'Whitetail Deer Hunting' started by Lester, Sep 30, 2012.

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  1. buckeye

    buckeye Grizzled Veteran

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    It is painfully obvious you are only trying to "get this back on track" because you very much over exaggerated the truth earlier in this thread.

    I am still waiting for the definition of running with the big boys. I am very much interested in hearing how the big boys do it in case I may want to start running with them as well...
     
  2. gutone4me

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    I see nothing wrong with any of those young bucks. That first one could be a dandy non-typical in a couple years.The second one is too young to give the death penalty to in my opinion. I would like to see the whole body on the first one for real guess at his age.
     
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    How about this a Management Deer Company....Give me pictures of any deer you believe to be a "cull"... I will hunt it down tranquilize it... perform an infield surgery castrating the deer so it cannot pass on any more "bad genetics” and in 5 years you will a passive non dominate, hell of a non-typical deer from it. Win Win situation. Sounds like it would work doesn’t it... any takers???
     
  4. rkloehn

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    Again for the slow learners, lets get this back on track
     
  5. rkloehn

    rkloehn Weekend Warrior

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    The first buck is too hard to judge the age from that pic and the second buck is too young yet. Unless you can verify thw first buck being older let it go one more year.
     
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    I'd rather be a "slow learner" than a straight up know it all liar. But that's cool, use diversion tactics to take attention away from your deceit.
     
  7. JakeD

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    I don't really care for the terms "cull" or "management" bucks. Any mature buck is a trophy to me no matter what any TV personality has to say. Anybody that puts in the time and effort to pattern and kill a mature buck doesn't care about the score or size of a deers rack. All that should matter is the accomplishment and pride a person feels for the deer that they decide to shoot. If people don't feel that way about killing a deer then they shouldn't shoot it in the first place. And yes, I said KILLING a deer, not harvesting. They are animals, not crops.
     
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    For those questioning the age of the first buck in the picture, here is a better image of the deer's body. I did not share the picture of the second young buck as an example of a buck I need to "cull" but just to show that it seems the older deer's genetics is spreading or re-occurring because the younger buck seems to have the same horn development and genetics as that of the deer I don't want to spread. Regardless of age, I can assure you the first buck needs to be thinned from the herd. "Non-typical" in my book is not a deer with all the development on his left side and a single spike on his right...this is a gene issue. Non-typical is great and I have a perfect candidate to spread the non-typical gene and this buck is NOT it!
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  9. Lester

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    Here are comments I made in this thread...

    For those that are trying to manage their deer herd and want to shoot bucks that they feel are inferior, I would try and wait to they were 4 1/2 before sealing their fate. I can remember years ago when a lot of people said, once a spike always a spike, some bucks might really develop after they get some age to them.

    You can seriouslly manage a property with out shooting culls or managment bucks though IMO but like I said before I dont have a problem with some one doing so.

    I think you can do what you are trying to do with the paramaters you mentioned, I also think that you can manage land with out having thousands of acres. I am also not saying that you are using the managment term as an excuse but I did say it gets used more than it should, this doesnt go for every one that is why I never throw every one into one category we all hunt differently to lump every one together.

    So I am not saying managment is BS...I am saying and will continue to say that I dont think shooting "cull" or "managment bucks" is as important as some say. But I also think if you believe in it and are not using it as an excuse to shoot something then by all means go ahead it cant hurt. Every year we will have some bucks that we will decide to try and shoot, is it important enough that I am going to use my only buck tag on...no but I will try and get a younger person to shoot them. That is WAY MORE IMPORTANT to me than shooting a buck so he doesnt spread his genes. I would rather use my 2 tags (1 doe and 1 either sex) on 2 does to keep the buck to doe ratio in check than to shoot an inferior buck, but that is just me.
     
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    I suppose it does depend on amount of tags as well. Here in MO we get 2 archery any deer tags, unlimited doe tags, and an additional buck tag for rifle/black powder season. That means I can technically kill 3 bucks and any number of does I want to buy tags for in a given year....
     
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    I would take him out.
     
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    That'd be a sweet euro :tu:
     
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    i agree
     
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    Just calling a spade a spade... Don't harass people and make claims that are obviously false and not expect to get called out.
     
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    Yep, a MOD! I'm not going to let someone harass members without being called out on their own false claims. I'd do the same for anyone else on the forum as well. Quality content is what it's all about on this forum not attacking members.
     
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    so let me get this straight you want quality content and no one attacking members right? well lets see here, you offered not one piece of quality content to this thread and spent the whole time attacking a member?????? good job you succeeded keep up the great work!!!!!! im calling you out as a BS member!!!! i can play your games as well only thing is i play them better!!!! so if you want to keep going then go ahead but i promise you i will make you look like a fool everytime(very easy to do).
     
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    If you get the chance take it out. It will taste just a good. good luck!
     
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    WOW!!!
     
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    Exactly. Not once have you ( the mod) said anything about this thread. Instead your attacking a member of the forum. No matter what side you stand a mod shouldn't drop so low. Everyone else is trying to get back on track (even rkloehn) but yet you keep going down that path. All spades should be called out now
    So can we get back the the thread?
     
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    Do you really think that posting childish stuff like this is really going to get the thread back on track? You are not making anyone look like a fool but yourself. Think before you hit the submit reply button.
     
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