Cull or Managment ???

Number if post mean exactly what?

 

This from the guy who used the e thug comment. No where was Monster Raxx brought into this, it was meant to be a discussion but you show your true colors.

 

I agree any buck shot a guy/gal should be proud of but if a guy wants to seriously manage aproperty and shoot what he thinks is an inferior buck he should not be told by others its "just an excuse". I have a question for all, some say you need thousands of acres in order to manage. What if 10 guys all own 150 acres and manage the same way is it then doable to manage? I think it is and with out high fences. Just throwing that scenario out there

 

I think you can do what you are trying to do with the paramaters you mentioned, I also think that you can manage land with out having thousands of acres. I am also not saying that you are using the managment term as an excuse but I did say it gets used more than it should, this doesnt go for every one that is why I never throw every one into one category we all hunt differently to lump every one together.

 

About 12 years ago i shot a spiker that was 4.5 yrs. The DNR in wisconsin aged it and was amazed as i was to, is this a deer that should be let go another year to see what he might become or taken out of the heard?

 

Come on killer, you are letting me down... Let's hear that definition!

 

You are correct, on the properties I hunt on... I don't decide which buck I want to kill because he is not up to somebody's standard. I care more about the herd in general and not the headgear. Do I like big racked mature deer, of course. Like I've said from the very beginning to you, to each there own, you're not affecting my hunting at all. I'll continue to kill deer just fine. And I have no interest in coming to play with your so called "big boys."

 

and this is what ive been saying and how i operate, i dont care about head gear either, i care about the herd and why i will "waste a tag" on a deer i feel is genetically not going to help the herd even if its only 30% chance of change.

 

This coming from the monster raxx crew who put others down and belittle them because they must know more than anyone else because they have a product out and are a sponsor. I've seen your gangs true colors on other thread. Funny how you guys couldn't just answer the qestion of the thread. Instead throw some jabs in there because your opinion must me fact. Ill just follow you guys.

 

I started the thread and gave my opinions and never said they were facts. You came in here and started crap without even giving an opinion. I never told anyone they should follow me and I dont drive around in a bad boy buggy. Sorry some one hurt your feelings but I dont think it was me, I guess we will see these comments every time Pat or I make a comment...but for now can we get back to the thread?

 

Your 4 year old spike has already spread his seed a dozen times or so, his offspring are spreading the genes, and their offspring, and so on.........
Killing an inferior buck once in a while, is a drop in the bucket. Deer genetics travel to other areas, nothing you can do about it.
Your efforts will have no affect on a wild herd. I guarantee 10 years from now, you'll still be dealing with inferior genetics, and spewing the same nonsense about how great culling is for the herd.

 

If you all are so concerned about managing your heard for health, stop shooting trophy bucks

Mother nature manages the herd I hunt. No suplements here. Survival of the fittest.

 

Hey, if someone enjoys trying to manage the herd in their area, more power to them. You can't control everything, but why not try and control what you can. Kind of like using scent control, or trail cams. Just one more thing to up the % to get what you want out of hunting.

Now, I do think all of you boys can play along nicely. I can do without the childish, "all you do is pour out this" and the "your buck is not that" crap.

Honestly....

 

Agree but If we all knew a buck was Inferior at a young age I think some may take him out. In the woods I hunt we have 1 buck that has very crappy genes. He Is either 5 or 6 years old but I'm almost positive he's 6 this year. He scored a woppen 108 points as a 4 year old. Last year he broke the 115 Inch mark as a 5. I've saw his offspring around more then I'd like to the last few years. Almost Identical racks In the 1st and 2nd years. Scary!!! I'm finding out that these 1 year old bucks don't always leave looking for new ground like allot of people say they do. Last year I finally decided I was going to hunt for this buck as there wasn't anything else around that met my goal. I had one chance at him at 17 yards but things didn't work out. I hope to god all of his offspring doesn't turn Into him. Hopefully some of the doe's he bred have some good stuff going.

I for one don't think It's an excuse with everybody when someone wants to take out an Inferior buck. I know for a fact that If Minnesota had 2 buck tags I would've shot this buck In 2010. I had many, many chances to do so. My brother and I both wanted him out of the woods but neither one of us wanted to burn our tag on him as we had better bucks to hunt. What's a person do?

 

I guided for this elk kill today... mass measurements were 9, 8, 7 1/8, 6 3/8. Then I just measured a beer can, 8.25". So if you're telling me that your little whitetail has the same size bases as this 327" elk, it brings me to two conclusions:

A. You are full of it
B. Inches are much smaller in Wisconsin

 

might want to take Fitz's advice son and stop with the childish talk, i was trying to get this back on track.

 

A MOD really?

 

Absolutly...

Why would you think someone would want to shoot a small inferior buck when they have more than a few bucks 3.5 years and over scoring 130" or better? If a person or people want to keep quality high on their property and the surrounding properties should we not shoot a small racked mature buck so that the quantity of better quality and opportunity is out there for many more years to come. It probably takes a bigger person to shoot a buck he knows isn't going to go on his wall, knowing that he has a good chance of taking one that will. Small inferior bucks do breed. You take that buck out and let the doe's get bread by a better buck only good can come from that. It seem here that you have taken a stance on calling management BS and that people who do so just want to shoot the first thing that walks by which I think is also BS. I can shoot a cull buck and be proud that I took it out of the herd for the others who hunt on the same farm and surround properties that practice QDMA with us. No matter what it's still called a management buck. No excuses. It's just is part of the process of having a quality area to hunt.

 

I have to agree that a shooter buck depends on the hunter. If the hunter views the buck as a trophy then so be it, that is his decision. It is hard to manage land when the surrounding hunters will shoot something lower than your standards so to speak. I have a few guys that hunt around one of my spots and they will shoot bucks smaller than I will, but I take the chance and hope that the ones I pass on will eventually make it through and grow bigger so one day in the future I may have another shot at them. I have only shot one buck in my few years of hunting and I considered it a cull buck due to the fact he had a messed up side and his rack did not change in the 2 years I had seen him. He is unique and I thought it was cool that he wasn't a typical deer with a perfect basket rack. he was a 3 1/2 year old deer. Do you guys think he would have grown in to something different if I had let him walk? Im asking, not trying to be a smartass, just looking for advice. I thought he was a cool first buck and I didn't know if it was something with his genetics or that he got injured in some point in his life. Also because he was unique and my first buck I wanted to cherish the moment and got him mounted. Am I crazy for that? I think the cull or management excuse for some is just an answer to release when that deer walks out in front of them, but maybe they feel ashamed as the deer hunting shows, and qdma gets pushed on hunters more and more, almost as if they are doing something wrong by shooting a smaller buck than what they see on TV,BH.com, etc.. Of course every hunters dream is shooting a giant, but sometimes reality kicks in and you have to settle with something smaller or no buck at all. I have eatin buck tags every year since I have started hunting, but in the mean time I shoot does and fill my freezer full of tasty meat that feeds my family and helps control the heard. It all comes down to the person behind the string or trigger being happy with what they harvest and not looking to others to pat them on the back and labeling deer as cull or management so it is ok for them to shoot. If you want to harvest that animal than fire away.

 

I agree that Cull or management buck is overused most of the time. There are those times though, when I feel it is best to take out the buck and prevent further spread of these genetics. When you start to see a trend you don't like in your deer, the only way to stop it is to get rid of it...like it or not. I have the poster child for the management buck case this year...and unfortunately pics that show furthering of the gene pool: