Tony. Seriously I'm a moderate in comparison to my friends on the other sides. If you can't get to my method of reasons, maybe you shouldn't surround yourself with people who are just like you? I have many friends from all different walks and types of life. Not trying to be rude but there are some on here who all they want are people to agree with their views and their views are always correct. It's the same mindset the other side has, hence why both call each other close minded. Tony, have you ever managed to convert someone to your way of thinking via internet? I know I sure haven't and that's not my goal since I know that's futile. I discuss things on here to open my mind to question my beliefs. If I were to surround myself with people who only believed in what I believed it, I'd only solidify what I think I knew but never able to consider the things I didn't know.
It's kind of funny that you talk about the Bible, something that you don't follow, as if you have a better understanding. I have been a follower of Christ for many years and I have read and reread the Bible, and I study it. If you make a false assumption or interpret incorrectly, then that's on you. Yes men, women, and children were killed in the Bible, the point is, life and death isn't limited to just earth. God knows when each soul is accountable, so those who were killed before being held accountable for their sin are with God. The Bible teaches that even in the womb, a preborn child is still a child of God, but I guess you already knew that. "God…from my mother’s womb had set me apart and called me through his grace" Galatians 1:15 "Truly children are a gift from the Lord; the fruit of the womb is a reward" Psalm 127:3 The Bible also says that unrepentent murderers shall not inherit the Kindom of God. Abortion is murder, as the verses above state that a child in the womb is a child of God.
You have NO idea whom I deal with on a daily basis ... my point is you remind me of one guy I know that when he talks, people just look at him with a blank stare ...and he is conservative and of the faith ... it has NOTHING to do with your core beliefs ... it has to do with how they are being represented ...I guess... One of my all time favorite people that was on here was an atheist ... but his common sense way of communicating was pleasurable to debate ... we are good friends to this day Absolutely! Several .... and they have me as well it's all about reasoning .... you have a circular style that I cannot co-mingle with...I still love ya, tho!
Ok. You know best. I will carry on. Guess you missed the part where I added Christians to interpret the passage too. But hey rant on. It's not I didn't preface with ive researched that story and you know obviously because you've read the bible more you know it best.
Gotcha. I thought it was presenting my reasoning well but I guess it's circular to you. That's a hard one for me to fix =) I can't fix what I don't see wrong. Anyways, sorry I do not know who you deal with, but I was assuming this under the assumption that it were my views you couldn't understand not my reasoning.
I see you are being facetious, but be honest with yourself, there is a difference between reading it or "researching it" and saying that "it happened in the Bible" and studying it and knowing how/why it happened as well as the cross referencing to other verses. The Bible clearly states that a child in the womb is a child of God, that murder is immoral, and that God knows when a soul is accountable, so I don't see where you have an argument. So even though you are being facetious, yes, I do think I know this topic better. I wouldn't be a good Christian if I didn't reach out to you and share the gift of God's mercy and everlasting life.
The physical fetus or the soul? The fetus is discarded, sometimes cremated, and others are shipped off to pathology labs. The soul belongs to God.
Ok...so if that is true, then I truly do not see outrage over abortion then? These children are being guaranteed eternity in Heaven. Does eternity in Heaven not trump the short life of one on Earth?
According to the Bible, yes. To be clear though, there isn't a certain age mentioned in the Bible, only a reckoning of accountability, and only God knows when a person becomes accountable for their soul.
Thou shalt not kill. The result doesn't matter if the act prior is a sin. (Although in this case the result means taking the life of an innocent child).
Also, many churches like the Catholic Church are very against abortions. The bible says the life begins at conception, which means abortion is killing an innocent person, which is against one of the commandments. That's why there is the outrage. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
God gives life and takes life. What she did and how she will be judged is not up to me. Are you suggesting mass murder of the unborn? This is the erorr of the end justifies the means.
I'm not suggesting anything. But the belief that the unborn child's soul automatically goes to heaven is interesting to me.
If you're interested, read about David in the Bible, specifically when his young son dies. David is mourning and God tells him that he will see him again. "He cannot come to me, but I shall go to him." It's a very good first hand story about a child going to heaven similar to this scenario. He wasn't aborted but he was under the "age" (don't really like that word for this but can't think of another) of being held accountable for his soul.
I'm not sure that would be the case. Who knows, but my understanding is that to gain entry into heaven, you must accept god as your savior in most religions. There a many people who are wonderful people that have never accepted god as their savior, will they be granted heaven? My understanding is no. If that's the case, then I cannot see how an unborn child would be granted heaven either. I have no clue. Perhaps they would fall into purgatory.
