??? Who was complaining? Do you not realize that I'd you don't believe in god that what you just said sounds just stupid? It's like shoving the guts of deer in a vegetarians face. maybe you should try less of this in your face bible approach. It turns a lot of people away from our religion and makes you look arrogant and Inconsiderate as hell.
Actually from what I read and understand along with interpretation from other christians. The societies which David slew men women children, they were all heathens and not granted entrance to heaven If you still think I'm wrong I'd ask that you re read. That is one part of the bible which I've done a little bit of research on.
If you're taking about me. I think you totally misunderstand. The kids life if given up for adoption is not dependent on the parents life. I'm saying the kid would get lost in the foster care system and have a bad childhood with possibly bad adult life as a consequence. Sure there will always be those who break out. But if someone can tell me that the odds are in foster kids favor, I'd be willing to reconsider.
You know that sociologists and social workers are vastly different than counselors and psychologists?
Let's let the kid decide for them selves? It's not their fault their parents were stupid and got pregnant when they weren't ready Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Sure that is great idea. But if they don't turn out so well, are you a fan of supporting welfare? Wic? Government assistance? I have no statistics but my assumption is that kids who grow up in broken households and get pushed from one foster home to the next most often don't do well in life and fall back on assistance. Are you willing to take away subsidies so that when the kid grows up he or she will starve to death? Not trying to be dramatic but pointing out that If I can help it, I don't want someone to be borne into this world and live a miserable life.
I'm not supporting welfare, I'm against it, but that doesn't mean it's a miserable life. I think this country has many problems including welfare, and food stamps, etc. But abortion is the greater of two evils. If it comes between killing how many million innocent people each year or paying and extra 2% in taxes I'd pay the taxes and give the people a chance to live. One in a million might become a billionaire and pay enough taxes to cover the rest. One might become president and fix our country for good, one might discover a cure for cancer or renewable clean energy. Even if only one of the would be abortions turned out into some of these things it would potentially be greater than all the welfare combined. With that being said I am a strong supporter of keeping it in your pants if you can't afford/be responsible for a baby. Or atleast use contraceptives, preferably two types. I have seen young broke parents have kids and now make more than I ever will as an EE and his kids all have great lives and never on welfare. I also appreciate that you are using reasonable justification for your stance instead of the over used "it's the mother body, it's the mothers choice" approach. That drives me crazy. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Why you guys respond to chopayne is beyond me....she obviously just wants to "discuss" things and will never veer off her opinions... I think she likes to play devil's advocate.
Point taken. So I need to work on my pitch is what your saying. Not sure any none Christians are looking for answers as much as they are looking for debate. I became a Christian by realizing how much I complained about what I thought was wrong in the world and started giving thanks for what's right. There's also something in the Bible about casting pearls to swines Anyhow...I just could believe how unashamed this girl was for aborting her child.
Agreed. How about in stead of killing children because your not ready for them, starting telling these guy your not ready to be impregnated by them. Just a thought.
Her conscience was corrupted to the point where her sense of right and wrong was way off the mark most likely. I pray for her and others like her that they find healing and ultimately God's mercy.
I haven't been complaining about this world in so much as looking for answers and purpose. If anything its been you guys complaining about the downfall of society. I just said I go with the flow. Yes pitch or perception is much of it. I have a friend, means well, but he sure talks down to me when he explains things. The only thing stopping me from exploding is that I understand that sob is the way he is and I have to spend 8 hours a day in a classroom with him.
Not quite sure how much of this is playful or attacking. But yup I probably won't ever change my mind but neither will any of you = ) You guys act like I'm stubborn but look at yourselves. Seriously not playing devils advocate in this conversation, but would there be any fun in everyone replying, yup I agree to the op? I enjoy discussing things more with you guys because It doesn't get too out of hand and you guys are a bit less caustic.
I think we all agree you abstinence is best if you're not ready. Along with america needa more responsible people. However, It's the actions upon pregnancy I've been focusing on.
I've heard stories of girls seriously not giving a **** if they become pregnant or not. I don't know if certain parts of this country don't teach that if you have a baby when you're young, you're less likely to be economically well off later on along with teaching all the responsibilities that come with it. It's also OK to be a single parent now. People just need to think their life through a bit more and take some of these decisions more seriously. With that, I think it's our fundamental difference in the base of prevent kid of facing possible terrible life to one in a million might be good that shows why we can't agree on this issue. I agree one in every few will become great but I usually don't bet against the odds. You know Jeff bezos ceo of Amazon was an adopted child? So were many other greats, though the "good" in amazon could be debated. He probably does pay $$$$$$ in taxes.
The "her" part was playful ... the rest was not ...you think like no one else I know ...and that is fine ...I just would NEVER go back and forth with you as I can't get to even close to where you are in thought process....
That is a very short sighted mentality that leads to vacuum states. Debate is always necessary and important to truly understand and appreciate, regardless of whether your opinion will be swayed. If one is never open to change or adaptation then surely one will not survive. History (repeatedly) tells us that adaptation and generalization are proven tactics for longevity. Close mindedness whether right or wrong is dangerous. I have enjoyed the comments and thoughts posed by Chopayne although I do not know this person. Their willingness to question, push the bounds, test and adapt are intellectually stimulating... As stated, if everyone agreed all the time, then nothing would advance or change. Perhaps it is change that people fear... we once thought the world was flat too... A question for all the preaching "Christians" who have adopted to disregard my previous questions... Regarding Heaven... will the 5/6th of humans on earth not get to heaven due to their different beliefs? Is god not generous and forgiving? Why then does it matter what one believes if God is indeed these things? Lets take it one step closer... how do you know there is a God? One does not need to believe in God to retain a "moral" lifestyle (moral being used loosely since morality shifts with culture...) Christians once felt is was Gods will to conquer foreign lands, slaughtering thousands... Christians in attempting to spread the good word, sought new lands and peoples to convert, only leading them to death as a result of infectious diseases... this is Gods path? These are "His" choices? Do you also believe in Santa Claus, the tooth fairy and elves? There is no more proof to support belief in these things than there is to believe in God. As stated... your preaching mentality is belittling, condescending and actually very shallow. It is this sort of action that leads to global unrest killing thousands annually. In 2014 I choose to maintain an open opinion about ALL things and to base decisions of facts... you might be wise to do the same thing. A previous thread was lamenting the fact that "Tactics" are no longer discussed on this forum.. perhaps for similar reasons.. people have their minds set, they are deathly afraid of change and potentially being wrong therefore they choose not to comment... That is their choice BUT we all lose when debate is subjected to censorship of any kind. Speak your mind, share your thoughts but be open to other opinion. T
