Chuck Adams says there is a "Void" and forget 30 min rule if it's almost dark

Thanks, I knew it wasn't considered normal farming practices in MO just didn't know in IA. Apparently KS doesn't make the distinction or doesn't care. I don't condone it either, I just have trouble believing Lakoskies do it and hunt over it. I don't doubt they may mow some down or ride it down to make it more accessible...from a management standpoint it's legal anywhere as long as it's not hunted over and it's good practice, I just don't buy them hunting over it illegally. Rumor mills run the gambit from them renting all their land to illegal baiting because Tiffany is too stupid to kill a deer. lol

I don't get the impression that they need to bait to find film worthy deer to shoot....folks can believe whatever they want.

 

Watch the videos and you will see some corn field footage that will make you go.....Hmmmmmmmm. It sounds like you have plenty of experience around corn to know exactly what is going on. I think it happens a lot more than anyone wants to admit. I'm sure there are plenty of outfitters that do the very same thing. I would guess that a lot of people don't even know that they are in violation of a baiting law. IF, it happens.

 

Not defending or arguing with anything your saying but we sometimes brush hog our corn fields after running the combine through to rake up and bale corn stalks for cows. Not saying that's what's happening but theres always the possibility.

I do agree though you can watch several hunting shows and see questionable things that walk a pretty thin line between legal and illegal. But that's a decision they make and really doesn't matter to me.

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At least you admitted it.

I'm actually glad to have you back!

 

You guys should hug.

 

Unlike SOME people <<cough charness>>

:D

 

I've only ever watched a hand full of their shows so I can't comment what's been seen in the reference. It could have been a lot of things though. Test cutting for grain moisture test for example. Actually I've never seen them hunt over or near any corn to be honest, I believe the only thing I've ever seen them hunt were field edges of non-crop fields. I do know they have hundreds of acres of food plots so I always assumed they probably hunted over standing corn, after all that's what most hunters dream of. (hunting corn in IA).

I've been around hunting and fishing all my life as well as farming (39 years old), I'd hope I'd have learned a few things about all things related in that time. Have spent a good number of years developing WRP (wetland preserve program) for waterfowl since I was ~20 and baiting laws with regards to standing (or manipulated) corn are very scrutinized around here. If that is the case in IA I doubt seriously Lakoskys would be stupid enough to "accidentally" film it. Besides I know they work closely with fish and game to stay safe and legal. Filming such an infraction would be brain dead and practicing it wouldn't be much better considering their opportunities with or without it.

I don't know, maybe they do...I just have a hard time buying it. Personally I think it's kind of stupid arbitrary to determine it's okay to hunt standing corn but not if it's been mowed or ran down. I know they have to draw a line somewhere but really it's kind of silly. If you're a farmer and cutting your own crop, it's a pretty simple matter to adjust the combine to basically mow corn and throw it out same as a mower yet it would be legal to hunt over it. It's almost worth too much money to waste it that way though.

 

hands wrapped around bone = STFU. I don't care what angle the camera is at.
that being said; there is a "void"...it's called the FUSA (fatty upper spinal area)

 

Thats not a 'void'. Thats a bad shot. He was talking about a void UNDER the spine. No such thing. Under the spine is lungs. They go clear to the top in the ribcage.

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I do. I like to see what the rack actually is. Not what a rack looks like with somebody four feet behind it. = STFU

No void...just loins above the spine. Maybe Chuck's ham shot would work better.

 

This pic actually messed me up a little, to me it looks like there is large chunk of space there above the black line. Just above the line you see the tube from the throat into the body, just above that the spine with backstraps on either side, and at the very top you see the top of the spine against the fur. Not seeing how you can shoot over the spine or through the backstraps(without hitting spine). Am I looking at this wrong? All the deer I've skinned it always seems to me the spine is right under the hide, once you remove the hide the backstraps are very easy to remove by cuting right down either side of the spine. Truthfully though I've never paid that much attention to it when skinning, I'll have to do that this season.

 

That is the backbone directly above the black line

 

I see, I noticed after I posted the esophagus(tubes, whatever they're called) below the line. My thing is the spine is big, it's shaped funny like an upside down capital T. I guess I'm just not seeing how yan can shoot over or through the backstraps and not hit the spine. I can imagine it is possible for an arrow to slip right under and maybe clip the top of one lung but not the other depending on the angle...or something.

 

Then again I can see how it might be possible to hit some portion of that spine as far as the bone and not actually damaging the spinal cord causing the animal to go down.

 

Exactly... not to mention when deer exhales the lungs aren't fully inflated

 

A vertebrae hit with an arrow isn't necessarily lethal, besides it's above the vitals.

'The void' is just a bad shot, as is shooting at their gut (behind the liver), legs, antlers or a miss, IMHO.

~Bill

 

Wow I had no clue so many folks had a beef with Chuck Adams. Has he done something I'm not aware of that has put the hunting community in jeopardy, or is some of this just a case of jealousy due to the mans accomplishments. Or is it how he has gone about accomplishing all he has accomplished?

I've never really followed the man so close as some other folks seem to be doing. I'm really interested in finding out why Hoyt got a kick in the sack along with bowhunter magazine. And yes I read the thread, so I guess I'm looking for something with the real sustenance rather than how he poses for a photo, or his personal, and professional hunting techniques.

 

Looking at the pic it seems like the "void" could be just forward of the first rib and above the front shoulder. depends on the position of the front leg I think. I'll have to check it out on a deer this year. Does this make sense? Or am I being stupid since I haven't had a deer in my hand for almost a year?

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Cracks me up how easily people confuse vertebrae with the spine.... Or how people think a deflated lung somehow detaches itself from the chest wall and leaves a big empty spot.

The lungs go up to the spinal cord leaving no room between, deflated or inflated doesn't matter. You either hit meat or vertebrae above the spine if you missed lungs completely. There really is no way to logically argue otherwise.

I chuckle at the pose but it certainly doesn't upset me.... I see it more with 110-120" deer w average joes than the sponsored hunters with their legitimately large animals.