Chuck Adams says there is a "Void" and forget 30 min rule if it's almost dark

It's a standard pose...I've seen several examples of members on here doing the same thing as well as well known hunting "experts" doing it for years. It's done with fish, snakes, yadda yadda...big deal. If it makes people feel better about looking at themselves and their animals then who cares. Drurys use that pose every time they are in a pic.

Adams is the genuine article, he's taken probably more animals and put in more field time than 99% of hunters. I may not change any practices based solely on any comments he makes but when he speaks I'm certainly going to consider any info and opinions he has to offer.

 

#Cmonsta

 

I refuse to bash the man. If I can accomplish have of what he has I'll die happy.

 

I'm by no means any kind of expert, but I think applying a little common sense here goes a long way in terms of this "void". We have countless 3D drawings of deer anatomy. Its pretty easy to see where these vital organs, mainly the lungs in this discussion, sit in relation to other parts of the animal.

Personally, I agree that you can completely miss a deers lungs high IF you're on the ground with the deer, meaning eye level. In a treestand, I think you'd be hard pressed to miss both lungs. You can miss one, the impact side, but most likely you'll catch the opposite side lung. This is of course assuming that the deer and the tree you're in are on similar footing as well.

 

Standard if you are trying to exaggerate the size. You are right, I would put the Drury's in the same boat. They got caught here putting out mineral at food plots they were hunting. They and the Lakosky's also brush hog standing corn fields here to spread the grain on the ground and then hunt over it. I don't consider that to be a normal farming practice as the law requires to avoid baiting. The pressure for these people to make money from hunting pretty much ruins it for me because it makes them bend or break a lot of rules or exaggerate their success. To each his own. Obviously they all have their fanboys or they would not still be in business.

 

I have been off the Chuckwagan for years. Yeah he is a great hunter but his experience never translate well into articles or maybe I just don't relate to his hunting style. As for the pictures yeah I hate the mule deer photos the most because you can really tell he's pushing it on those.

 

I did the anti-Chuck pose last year. I was hunting a managed hunt area and it was the last day. I ended up shooting a small yearling to fill my last tag. I posed by it's head and had my wife take the picture so I could show it to my Dad and Uncle. So the way I was kneeling by the deer's head, I was actually slightly closer to the camera than it's head and the deer's body was stretched out going even further away from the camera. Being that it was already a small deer, I am 6'1" 300 lbs, and I was closer to the camera, that deer looked like a beagle or some other small dog. I have been appropriately teased about that picture by several different people.

 

Great pic to make the point! I was searching thru archive to locate this also. JZ is also correct that many of these deer survive a single lung hit even though many of us hunters will swear that we took out both lungs, heart, liver, brain and pacemaker! I work in the healthcare field and am amazed by what out of shape humans can do with only one lung.

 

There is no void!!!!!!!!!!! Gah!!!!



Thankfully, most deer I've shot have died in sight. I did once shoot a buck and as fast as I could, I climbed down and went after him. Caveat: I knew I hit him in the heart and it was in a downpour so I wanted to get to him before a blood trail washed away. He was tagged within 10 mins of the hit.

Another time I hit a buck and he ran off about 70 yards and looked like he went down but I couldn't be completely sure because the grass was really tall and there was a chance he just dropped out of sight but was still going. So I was in my tree waiting around like a good little hunter and about a half hour into it I hear rustling in the grass where I last saw him. Crud. So I snuck out, waited another two hours and then started trailing. Turns out the shot was good... it was coyotes that I heard. They had already started to eat him.

Yet, another time I knew I hit a buck in the liver. There was blood immediately and I could see blood pouring as he ran off... but I did the *right* thing and waited hours before taking up the trail. Turns out the buck fell in the river and washed away or sank... never to be seen again. If I hadn't of waited so long, he might have been still visible. But who would have guessed that???

So, anyhow.. I don't think there needs to be an absolute 'rule' about how long to wait.

 

I agree there should not be an absolute rule, but I personally believe a 30 minute minimum is gonna benefit more times than not.

I have lost two deer to coyotes/hogs by doing the right thing as well, even though I later found out out both were down within 50-75 yards and probably expired in the matter of minutes if not seconds. But I will continue to play the odds....wait a little longer as opposed to rushing it.

Regardless, I can't see how anyone would use impending darkness as the reason to hasten the recovery as was written in the article. I realize that is not your position, just reiterating my main gripe about how the article was written.

And for the record, I have no issues with Chuck Adams and what he has accomplished as a bowhunter or how he smiles or poses in trophy shots. But that doesn't give him a pass for writing inaccurate and misleading info as an author of hunting articles.

 

Exactly, and many many people do. Big deal

IS brush hogging corn and hunting over it illegal in Iowa? It is in MO, considered baiting. If it's illegal in Iowa, I have trouble believing L&T commit to that practice and hunt over it. People are generally willing to believe the nastiest rumors they hear without question. When you try to narrow these stories down it generally comes from a friend of a friend of a cousin of a brother of a cousin of a sales rep or some other associated party that once visited a farm and made an assumption. As far as the corn goes, mowing corn or running it down with a vehicle is a good management practice to make it more readily usable for wildlife, baiting is legal in KS though I don't practice it and don't believe it's ethical but it's arguable hunting over any food plot in any fashion is baiting and unethical so it depends on ones point of view I guess.

I'm not fan of the Drury brothers at all and not a fanboy of anyone with the exception of a couple of deer biologists in the industry but I do tend to grant the benefit of the doubt to most folks with regards to idiotic rumors. Especially if those people have a list of accomplishments a mile long and are generally respectable people. One reason I do is because I've often found that these are the people that haters are going to hate the most because they are seen as either white knights so-to-speak or a lot of people are simply jealous or envious of their accomplishments and status. Much like the wall street occupiers rallying against the so called 1%.

 

Getting mad at a guy for "making his deer look bigger"? Jesus, this place makes me shake my head.

Let's all stop washing our trucks, or wearing nice clothes, hell we all better stop looking at magazines featuring woman with all the photoshop going on. He shot a nice deer, he can photograph it any way he wants lol.

Back to topic, if I'm confident with my shot, I go get the deer. No need to wait. If im not confident, I'll wait. Pretty much exactly what Chuck said.

Btw...There is no "void". You simply shoot the fatty area ABOVE the spine and lungs. Very common.

 

Who got mad? My only point is that he kills nice trophies and then makes the photos look ridiculous with exaggerated poses. Your over-reaction is kind of like his pose. A little dramatic.

 

Maybe "mad" was the wrong word.

I'll be sure to hold my next trophy against my chest so in the event that I ever become a writer, the public doesn't dislike me for "exaggeration"

 

I can vividly remember more than one occasion where I wound up trailing a deer 200+ yards on shots that I just "KNEW" I made a perfect double lung shot only to find out postmortem that my perfect shot was a little less than perfect.

ONLY when I see the deer down in sight and can observe continually and unobstructed for lack of any movement whatsoever for an extended period of time, do I have have enough confidence in my shot to rush recovery.

 

Man some people nit pick what writes and TV hunters say a little to much. And then judging how he takes pictures? Really?

His writing is his opinion and experience. He has killed more big game animals then probably all of us who responded to this post, so I take his word over most. Never the less, its up to you as a hunter to decide whats best after your shot. If you want to wait then wait. If its a good shot though, as he stated and as stated before, there is no need. And is something can wash it away or cover up the blood, whats the harm in starting a little early, quietly of course? Im sure he doesnt come through with 30 of his friends in that case, just trys to get an idea of where it went before its to late and becomes a guessing game.

And come on, the man was one of the first who stopped taking the crappy redneck pictures with bloody faces and tongue hanging out as the head hangs over the tailgate while the hunter holds a beer in one hand and the antlers in the other. Or better yet, stands over the back with his foot on the animal or holding the head up in the air. If thats what you like, take them pictures. But you look like crap. At least he takes time to take a nice picture and give the animal all the respect and glory in the picture, not him.

Who wants to nit pick my spelling or grammar now? Or my opinion? Is it deer season yet?!?

 

To each his own.

 

Let me add...it's damn refreshing that were discussing hunting ethics and not how spineless Tony returned after declaring himself DONE with BH.COM just a few weeks ago








I kid, I kid.

Sorta

 

I was butt hurt...all better now

 

Yes, it would be considered illegal and fall under baiting laws in Iowa. It is not following normal farming practices. I will leave it at that.