There is so much fluidity to this that speaking in absolutes makes will make us all look silly at times. For my part there is plenty of difference between game and locations. There are places and game that 60 is plenty doable and there are times when sixty isn't even a consideration. Mistakes happen regardless of ones good judgment at times and all we do is learn become better for our mistakes . However that requires honesty in our own assessment in order for that to happen. Maybe a better thing to take away from the video is not so much the shot selection but more so what not to do in regards to how we make an honest assessment of our actions after our mistakes
Absolutely, 100% without a doubt they act different. That's what my whole post referencing the videos was all about. Agreed, however, you and I both know that if you're shooting at a whitetail at 40 and a mule deer at 60, which one of those circles will still be there and which one won't.
I'd say a running or moving shot is more ethical with a rifle/shotgun.. heck probably better as you can pace the speed and gate of the animal.. once again, depends on the shooter/person, yes most people do not have that ability , just like I don't have the ability to slam a basketball , nor throw a 95mph fastball... Referring to ethics makes things totally up for debate, laws and rules define matters, ethics are open to opinions. I have a limit on deer, 50 yards... and that is only given the right circumstances, I like to have them between 21 and 27 yards if possible.. but that isn't always the case. In fact I find the closer shots to be some of the hardest to make depending on the angle down. "chip" shots sometimes get taken for granted, like in golf, but get screwed up more then longer shots.. I am guilty of it... had a buck at 18 yards, didn't give it my full concentration and screwed the shot up, killed the deer, but did not make the best shot.. then shot a buck at 51 yards and hit him directly in the spot I picked out and killed him.
Let's remember it is not about only your abilities, it has to do with the animals ability to move. This IMHO, has to do with arrow speed and distance. Sent from my iPad using Bowhunting.com Forums
well there is no bow capable of outshooting the speed of sound.. well at least not yet ... LOL... But I do agree.. arrow make lots of noise while traveling.. speed does help in the manner that every deer ( well 99.9%) will duck aka loading their legs to flee.. and with a faster bow the arrow gets there quicker and the negating the ability of the deer to duck. Like I stated.. filming has opened my eyes... shots 0-29 yards have less ducking, 30-38 yards the most ducking and over 45 the ducking goes down drastically. My wonder is if the noise of the bow going off looses its affect on a deers hearing past 40 yards.. Maybe I can get some government cash to do a study ? anyone write grants on here ??? LOL
Maybe you can get a grant; just want to say they can also just take a step. Sometimes I think they see movement, deer cannot see that well. From 60 yards the arrow takes .56 seconds for the arrow to reach its target. That is a long time for an 8 inch target. If you look at the video on the fb Paige kind of hard to tell but the dot is still over the vitals when the arrow is about 80% of its way to the animal. Sent from my iPad using Bowhunting.com Forums
I just looked at the video, the funniest thing was the live comments smoked him. Or that's a dead deer. It is hard to tell but I believe that even though that deer was dropping but was still in the kill zone out to half to 2/3 of the way there. Sent from my iPad using Bowhunting.com Forums
I don't do deer drives and won't do it. but you and I both know it is extremely common to try and fill a running deer up with lead and then track it to get another shot.
I honestly think its such a poor example to set for younger, and as you mentioned Justin, more impressionable hunters out there. Just because modern bows are capable of shooting x's at 100 yds, doesn't mean you should take those shots at animals. The fact, that he even contemplated that shot, shows poor judgment and the fact that he is an immature hunter. Once who can be peer pressured by media and cameras into making unethical decisions. This makes me wonder what he, and others like him do, when NOT on camera? Have I thought about taking long range shots at a buck when there's 2 days left in the season and a tag burning a hole in my pocket? YES. Did my bow ever leave the hanger? NO. What a poor example to set for the youth. Not role-model material by any means.
I don't like the attitude Chris Brackett displays on his show. Like most here I don't condone and wouldn't take a 60 yd shot at a whitetail. I have to say though that when I moved to AZ 16 years ago I had been bowhuntimg for about 7 years and had taken several deer with the bow. My first year there I spent a ton of range time at 70-80 yards to be comfortable at 50. I missed the first mulie I shot at when the deer got bumped by a doe as I released the arrow from 40 yds. He went to 70 straight up a cliff face and stood there. I knocked and shot again, thinking he was at 65 and holding low because of the uphill angle-shot right under him and hit rock. That buck never moved until the rock exploded next to him. It's tough for die hard whitetail hunters to understand until we experience it but the animals act differently. Dubbya explained it perfectly. Safe distance is a combination of skill, species and situation. This video is an example of poor decision making and ego but it's not a clear cut example of what distance archery tackle should be considered lethal and ethical. Just my 2 cents.
O.K> How about this ? When will we ever see a post that starts with I crawled and took 2 hours to get within 10 yards of this bedded 10 point buck, Or Elk or ??? Now that's hunting. This is just shooting
Aimed on the brisket. Another words aimed low. But I'm a terrible example to follow. Sent from my SM-G930R4 using Bowhunting.com Forums mobile app
I'm not gonna call him names. I'm not gonna say he shouldn't shoot 60 yards. I am gonna say, every shot morphs into its own difficulties. Yardage is just a number with today's great bows and equipment. My most missed shot in my life has always been short yardage from high elevation. So to me yardage isn't the biggest factor as is KNOWING the yardage. Now many things can happen on a distance shot. Variables such as loud spinning broadheads, animals on high alert etc. All we can do as hunters is know our personal limitations. Practice hard. Anticipate shots and execute them based on our ability. Long range shots out west are the norm. Not in the east so much. I don't know this mans ability. I give him credit for showing the video and exposing himself to getting flamed by the hunters. Most TV types don't allow that footage to be made mainstream publication ! Think about that ! Most TV types only show pinwheel type shots. If the dude made the same placement @ 20 yards, does this make it OK ? NO ! But this is what hunting is with a bow. None of us know this mans abilities I don't think. He made a bad hit here. He might have made 10 consecutive great hits before this one for all we know ? TV needs to show MORE of these shots to show the world what NOT to do. Not enough of our hero TV people show their F-ups. And you know they got 'em. This video can work wonders for Bowhunting in the long term. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I think a big part of the problem is the perception that he is huge d-bag. It is the image he created for himself and now he found religion so he is simply a religious d-bag. Ever notice he seems to burn thru sponsors, and different shows ever wonder why? People like him and Nugent are intoxicated by the sound of their own voices, they don't listen they just wait to talk, and it wears thin.