You can start giving left handed comments about the complaining neighbors, the neighbors with all the junk in their yard, the neighbors that think they own all the land in the area, etc. BUT then you turn in to them. Shoot your guns and hunt like you want and offer them venison.
If the killing with kindness doesn't succeed, you could always just kill them but that gets messy....
Sounds to me like you have been more than kind in your approach. At some point, if their attitude does not improve, I would probably just give up and let them wallow in their own misery. You have every right to enjoy your family tradition as you always have. Don't let them take away a moments peace from your recreation.
Pee on there front porch.. But any way, that does seem to be a tough situation. I dont know exactly the way to handle this, but what I do know is to stay cool about it, and dont get to upset.
Most of us predominantly hunt the large tracts of federal land during the firearm season, as the deer become scarce if not extinct shortly after the November 15th opener on private lands that border a road. By 630 am (first light) all our vehicles are gone - should imply that we are not hunting near their land - more left handed comments about the orange army making early morning racket. We, like most cabin owners, never leave anything of real value up north for fear of theft or vandalism, but it should not have to be that way. I would like to sink a well, septic, add an addition, build a shed, upgrade electrical ..etc.. sink a lot of money into the property, as my father in law would die a happy man knowing it stays in the family after he's gone ..but.. what to do....?
I hear arson is the hardest crime to prove j/k. Just gotta ignore the comment I guess. It's not their property and just because "it's scares the animals", sorry. Unless you see them do something just gotta be safe and respectful with them I guess.
you've been an excellent neighbor, but enough is enough. I have too much of my grandfather in me and I'd ask them if they want to have the next discussion behind the woodshed.
I agree with keep laying on the kindness. At some point though I know the redneck would come out in me and would do or say something you shouldn't. It is YOUR land and YOU have the right to do what you feel like as long as no one gets hurt. Deer and animals get accustomed to noises and things like that. I have a stand that is less than 100 yards from a running oil well. The thing is pumping and making all kinds of noises all day long. And not mention the guys that check it every few days. On the 900 acre farm I hunt that is one of the best spots year after year. Good luck I hope they lay off and you can enjoy your place the way you want to.
Do as you please it's your land. No one can tell you what you can and can't do. Richards are gonna be Richards. If they have issues and you all legal like you say, it's a non issue. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I know it's easier said than done but do whatever you wanna do. You can't get in trouble for doing everything right/legal. I hope everything works out for you bud!
We have trouble with homesteaders thinking just because they live across the road they have the right to hunt when ever they want, where ever they want. We've had to put cameras on the roads and turn them into law enforcement. AND THAT CREATES A WHOLE NEW SET OF PROBLEMS. They get mad and want to destroy all you are working for. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I was born and raised in Pennsylvania where hunt camps are very common. My Uncle had a camp in the northern part of PA where we all went deer and bear hunting. The very same situation occurred when a couple moved into their deceased fathers cabin and made it their permanent home. He had nothing but trouble from then on. The cabin was ransacked; windows broken; things stolen; etc., etc. They even tried to have him arrested saying the hunters were shooting towards their house, endangering them and their animals (dogs). All of this was untrue. He tried talking to them; being very nice and friendly but to no avail. This went on for almost three years before he came up with a plan. He hired them to look after his place and keep an eye out for troublemakers and trespassers. He paid them $500 a year. This was back in the early 1960's. He figured it was cheaper to pay them as caretakers than to repair all the damage every year. Worked like a charm. He never had any more problems.
buggs,you are a lot nicer than I would be.I had a neighbor who lived 1/2 a mile away and when I would shoot she always came down and complained.But when I want to shoot I shoot.I guess she finally got over it,cause one day instead of complaining she asked me to have sex with her. Hang in there:
Yea, if I had a cabin and neighbors cranked up the music and partying I wouldn't like it so I can understand. In your situation I'd just try to be considerate where I could and if there was a chance to be neighborly would do it. Who knows, a little conversation and you may find common ground, plus, cabins are normally isolated and you or they may need help at some point....
If I can play devil's advocate here just for the sake of conversation. Let's see if we can put the shoe on the other foot and we'll see how it feels. So, the issues is, you're having issues with a neighbor who is "friendly" but he's making comments about some of your practices or habits when you come up to hunt. Here's what I read in your post. He makes comments about your group shooting does- You say this is unfair because you don't shoot does, except when you do shoot does. (yes, completely legal, and I don't have a problem with it) but you can't say you don't shoot does, EXCEPT when you shoot does. You say "most" of you practice QDMA to "differing" degrees. This sounds to me like you're not practicing QDMA at all. If "most" are doing it "sort of" you're not really doing it are you? (Again, nothing wrong with it, and completely legal, I also don't have a problem with it) You say you're not hunting the borders on a 40 acre parcel. You've stated that you're more than 300 yds. away from his property. In my experience, 300 yds. on the internet equals about 50-100 yds. in the real world. So you're actually hunting the borders. (again nothing wrong with it and perfectly legal, except when it comes to tracking an animal that crosses the property line) You say that the neighbor doesn't like it when 10 guys start cracking open beers and start making his "little slice of heaven" sound like Afghanistan?, under the guise of "sighting in" their rifles? Shocking. I'd bet my paycheck that whomever put bullet holes in your property wasn't the neighbor. Probably just area kids walking through the woods looking for something to shoot. When I was a kid, that's what we did after school. Can't say I ever shot up someones property, but I've spent plenty of time in the woods shooting cans and anything else that got in my way. So, that's what I'd say your neighbor is seeing when you guys show up. How to remedy it? First, you've gotta understand your audience. If he's truly a homesteader, he mostly wants to be left alone. That's why he's a homesteader. So, leave him alone, don't infringe on his peace and quiet and property if you can help it. Make your presence known- When you show up for hunting season, stop by and bring him something homemade. Let him know you'll be sighting in the rifles between X-Y pm on Xday. Don't go a second long, and if you can, end it early. Ask him for help- He's probably an expert on the property and the deer. You can't ask him anything about that stuff. He'll feel like you're just pumping him for information and it'll get you nowhere. You have to ask him about the other stuff that interests him. Farming, livestock, solar power, etc. Just sit over there and have a conversation with him for awhile. Soon enough, you'll have a friend. Stop by and let him know when you're leaving. Maybe give him the ok to go on your property now and again and check on the cabin. He'll do it. Why? because homesteaders like to be left alone, and if there's somebody wandering through his woods, he wants them gone. Do you have to do any of this? Nope. But if you want to get him on your side, you'll have to work for it.
Honestly, it sounds as if you guys are on friendly terms otherwise. At least you talk right? I may try, once, to explain as a friend where they have made wrong assumptions about what you are doing. Listen patiently to their concerns (some of them may actually be legitimate) and if they insist on being butts... then move on with your life. Don't talk about hunting with them( talk about other things) and quite honestly, let them just stew in their own juices. I can assure you this is not likely about hunting... there are just some people who are fault finders in others and from my experience they make neither good friends or good neighbors. Just shake the dust off your boots and move on with your life.
I agree with this. I still think broken glasses and a bloody nose is fine for Richard, however over the years I have seen or heard of people: Put up 8' fences, start burn piles on edges, tresspass, target practice during opening day, burn wooden treestands, throw nails, outbid on leases, fist fight, call the cops, threaten and I could go on. If you **** back with Richard or ignore him sometimes Richard will **** with you and it is not worth it. It does not matter if you have permission, lease it or own it I just would downplay everything and get along. Forget the small stuff.
This is very touchy indeed but I am a direct person. There is nothing like a man to man if you are a calm person and can have a converstation without it escalating. The sticky part is that I am not sure you can gauge that with you neighbors. If at all possible I would have a conversation with them and maybe even befriend the neighbors. Explain that you are concerned and would like to find an amicable resolution that you both can live with. You have to be tactical in how you address it if you go in with the this i mine a blaring you won't get far. But the reality is, it is. The silver lining is that if you you make a friend you could ask that they keep an eye on the property while you are gone. This extends a sense of trust and maybe they will help you with the issues of trespassers. You obviously care what they think else this would not bug you and that is a good thing. As you described it you are not doing anything wrong as long as there are no ordinances about firearms discharges and taking does is legal. So you should continue to do what you do. It is your property and you deserve to enjoy it to the fullest without worrying about what anyone else thinks. The property damage you need to report to the local officials no matter how small it may be. Bullet holes in a building is a serious matter as last time I knew no one has X-ray vision.
