Can anyone tell me anything about the rage three blade chisel tips?

I think the reason you here about failures more then others is because that many more people use them, so they have experiences with them good/bad. Seems like when some people have a poor hit, it's never them. I've had good success with rages, I did switch to the 2 blade chisel after 2 kills with the 3 blades. Most of the time i get 2 holes and have had good to great blood trails. Not all 10 ring shots either. I shoot them with confidence.

 

Absolutely, I would. It would be nice if this were a two way street.... I won't ask you to try Rage heads for yourself, because I honestly don't care who does and doesn't use my preferred brand. But would you consider not passing your personal feelings on them as scientific fact? Or... if you feel that your "scientific fact" is accurate, provide actual scientific data collected by a neutral, accredited scientific lab/source?


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Just figured I'd add this, I started shooting slick tricks two seasons ago and 6 deer later I have only had one deer go down out of sight and that's just cuz he went into tall grass. Blood trails like I've never seen, I've shot a lot of heads including rage and will never shoot at a deer without a slick trick on the end of my arrow....

 

Well lets see since you want the science i went get my book and I have documented evidence that in 2 years i tracked 54 deer and of those 37 were archery shots.. of those 37 archery shots 23 of them were with a Rage head... If that isn't SCIENTIFIC proof i don't know what else is... that's 62%... of those 23 deer 8 were hit in the shoulder 5 were gut shot, 3 were hit in the back hind quarters, and 7 were hit in the upper NO MANS land between the vitals and spine....

 

I do feel like the slick trick is one of the best fixed blade broadheads on the market as well as a head called the RAMCAT

 

You just said 1 thing that removes any credibility that you may have thought existed with the no mans land with a magical void between the spine and vitals it simply does not exist.

Plus you are faulting Rage for gut shots, back hind quarters and santa claus spot hits saying it is the head not the hunter.

1 other piece of advice your setup with the 80 pound draw weight not getting a pass thru, your bow is badly out of tune.

 

What is wrong with heavy arrows and high draw weights? Why wouldn't you want to hit the deer as hard as possible? I could shoot slick tricks and would not change my set up.

 

There is nothing wrong with a heavier arrow or higher draw weights but if you need them to make your broadhead work that's the problem.

 

Oh how I love to drink a little coffee in the morning and read a good broadhead debate!

 

Never heard of a bow hunter that said I wish I did not hit that deer so hard, a heavy arrow out of a high draw bow gives the maximum odds of a pass thru no matter the head and that is my goal every shot.

 

That's a totally different argument! If you need to do all that to make the head work is the argument. I got a pass thru this weekend on a doe with a 60 pound draw weight a light arrow and a G5 on a quartering to shot so the heavy set up argument is invalid with me.

I can't believe I got sucked into this argument again

 

Well you were the one trying to rationalize my hunting set up, and I explained my mindset about my choice.

 

I never tried to rationalize your set up, I don't care what anybody else does it's your business. It's only about the head not working properly without a specific set up.

 

Well it should not be surprising that a higher KE would be required the blades are 2" deployed vs the diameter of a fixed head. What I don't get is people that use the heads that put no thought into equipment choices and then blame the equipment when a shot does not go right.

 

Not sure why I just read 55 posts on this topic...

 

Simply put, you hear more about Rage because they advertise so heavily. New bowhunters tend to gravitate to products they are at least somewhat familiar with so a lot of new hunters will grab the Rage broadheads. They take them to the woods, and not knowing what they are doing they shoot a deer. They either make a bad shot, or have a bow that's out of tune or who knows whatever, but then they jump on a forum and start spewing about how it had to be the broadhead because they double lunged and heart shot that buck and didn't get any penetration. When in reality the probably drove that broadhead right into the shoulder joint. Flat out they don't know what they are doing or what they are talking about. A field point will kill a deer if placed properly. While a full pass through is nice, it's not the end all be all. If you hit double lung high on a pass through, you still might not have much of a blood trail until those lungs are completely full of blood. That could take a bit time and a decent distance. Also, if the exit would happens to be through a major muscle group, that can also lessen the amount of blood. There are just so many variable.
I've shot Rage 2 blades for that last several seasons, with 100% recovery rate. I'll give you a breakdown of the shot placement, penetration, and recovery distance.

Buck, 18 yards, shot quartering to through the shoulder blade. About 12" of penetration. Buck ran about 110 Yards, lungs and heard were totally destroyed because the blade was like a blender as the buck was running away.

Doe, 12 yards heart shot, full pass through. She fell in place, no tracking required.

Buck, 18 yards broadside with very slight quartering too. Hit back, took out liver. Complete pass through. Buck walked about 40 yards to the edge of the timber, laid down and died about 10 minutes later.

Buck, 12 yards, slight quartering away. Full Pass through. Double lung, ran about 75 yards and piled up.

Buck, 30 Yards Broadside. Arrow completely penetrated both sides, but stopped near the fletchings. Double lung, ran about 100 yards.

Buck, 15 yards slight quartering to. Terrible shot. Hit just behind liver and exited through the hind quarter. Arrow fully penetrated but the buck carried the arrow about 25 yards before throwing it. Ran about 75 yards.

All of these were shot with 2 blade Rage, on a 70lbs setup with an arrow weight of approx. 400 gr.

 

Sorry bud but not one of my bows are ever out of tune I stay on top of that VERY well... second yes that spot about the vitals but below the spine does exist I don't know how many animals you've cleaned but apparently not many and if it wasn't for the dog they would have never known where they hit the animals... my dog would bay up the deer till we could put them down with better shots... I'm not faulting rage for the gut shots but I am faulting them for the shoulder shots that should have crushed them shoulders!

 

I love these threads!

 

There's only a void after the air is let out of the lungs. The "void" shots are actually muscle shots over the spine.