Thanks Grizz, whitetail strategies also looks good. As far as paying for subscription when I have the internet I dont really mind all that much I think each has its place. Like some one else pointed out for example I do a internet search on late season whitetails and I get blah blah blah. In the December F&S I read how to make a cheap preadtor call outta popsicle sticks, start a fire, so on & so on