Cabelas archery catalog. xbows get more ink!

this proves your point perfectly the PSE TAC crossbow actually uses an AR-15 lower! how much more gun like can you get while still being a "bow"?

 

I'm going to go hunting and let y'all figure this one out

 

I say who cares as long is its a legal means of harvesting an animal. You can argue all day about crossbow vs compound, compound vs traditional, shotgun vs rifle, or muzzleloader vs cartridge. Sure some methods take more skill and invovement but looking at record book entries isn't the best way too judge what has an effect on anything. In the last 20 years look at what's changed, volume of hunters is big part. Yea it may be because the method of hunting is eaisier but the sport is more popular now also. If all your worried about is killing a record book buck spend some money and come her to Illinois or Iowa or Kansas. Our yearly harvest number have dropped a little since thing 2007 give or take a year and I bet if you look at any figures for anything in a 10, 15, or 20 year spand the number won't be the same. We can only use shotguns here where you can go 20 miles from my house cross the rivrr and use a rifle. So that's easier and Missouri is just about the same when it comes to hargest numbers or trophy numbers. Idk about anywhere else but if anything has had a impact around here its all the outfitters that have popped up in the last five years buying up ground that people like me used to hunt, so that's gonna change things as well. It is what it is and one group of hunters and the method they choose isn't any worse then some of the people using the preferred method you may have. If you think crossbows are gonna ruin it that bad for you, quit. I along with probably several other people will come hunt your land.

 

Life is about progress like it or not..It sure beats throwing a stone or beating it with a club..Get used to it..It's here and it's not going anywhere..

 

Yes, and we all like it when legislation is based off the "look" of a weapon.....

 

yeah it doesnt just look like a gun. the PSE TAC crossbow uses an AR-15 lower. it is actually half gun! not just looks like one

 

A stock doesn't make a gun. I've seen spotting scopes mounted on a rifle stock, should that be against the law? Should synthetic stocks be illegal since originally they were all made of wood? Its not even progress since they've been around for centuries.

 

I have no opinion either way on this issue, but I do find it interesting that KY only allows crossbows from October 1-20 and from November 9 through December 31. The early September dates "velvet bucks," and late October through early November dates "seeking and chasing phase," are prime time to be on stand, but you can't do it here with a cross bow unless your disabled..

 

Lots here know my stance on crossbows. I do not like them, but will not hold it against someone for using one. My only reservation for them being a somewhat good thing for archery hunting is that maybe the newb's that hit the woods with those instead of compounds will wound less deer.

The flip side to that is when I head to my local shop, who started selling them (they have to make money somehow and they're selling like crazy). Countless guys talking about how they can kill a deer at 80 yards with one. This is the part I don't like. The uneducated idiots with that mindset.

 

It's not just a stock, it used a lower receiver from an AR, so you could actually UN bolt your rifle upper and install this. Using the guns trigger mechanism. Kinda cool idea, but I'm just illustration the similarities to a rifle. I understand that they also share characteristic with a bow as well.

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In 20 years guys using Compounds will be looked at in the same light as guys using recurves are today.

 

Not in 20 years, now. Too many that think the compound is the only kind of bow to use and, to further that, whatever brand they currently shoot is the only brand to use. Wouldn't the time used to run down others choice of tool be better used to educate them as to why it is unethical to take 80 yard shots or why it would be better to let the 2 1/2 year old buck to walk and take a big doe instead? Most of the people using crossbows are only wanting to enjoy the same thing we are enjoying with our compounds or recurves. Only for one reason or another have to or would prefer to use a crossbow.

 

Absolutely agree! There are idiots everywhere. It doesn't matter what weapon they choose to use. Bad shots will be taken, no matter what. Animals will be wounded, no matter what. People will get hurt, no matter what.
And I guess if you use a trigger release, you're using a gun? I know some parole officers who will let felons hunt with a bow, but not allow them to use a trigger release because it is too much like a gun. See... idiots are everywhere. The way I see it, when crossbows affect YOU personally, then you can b**ch about them. The traditional vs compound debate went on for several years. Some still hold a grudge against compound bows. Get over it

 

The only reason people look down on crossbows is jealousy.

Plain and simple.

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Jealous? Of what? That compounds out perform them? That they are bulky, cumbersome and weigh more in a tree? That if I was able bodied and used one my bowhunting buddies would make me the brunt of jokes for years? I would save the py book entry fee? I could save all that 3d enjoyment and practice time preseason?

 

You guys are beating a dead horse... this thread will go 15 pages lol


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Afraid of other peoples opinions? A longing for record book entries?

I think you have other issues going on here

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I do have a shoulder issue in my left.....I still pull the same lbs. as i did 10 years ago. the pain comes and goes. I shot about 30-40 arrows the other night and i was feeling some pain the next day. It's not the muscle around it being weak, just rotator cuff issues. I just don't like the xbows right now. My next door neighbor has one and he's only 37, has horrible shoulders. He hates hunting with it.....doesn't seem like a challenge to him now.
I can live with it for now.
I right now might just quit if i couldn't atleast use a compound. the only way i would go out is if my kids encouraged me or i felt i had to be out there with them......that's the only way in hell i'm using a xbow....and so far i'm a big no on it. Take the scope off and it might get more challenging. lol

 

I haven't read all the responses but I'm sure they're the usual ones....

Have you anti-crossbow guys actually shot one? They're bulky and heavy. Sure, shooting off a bench is accurate if you know the distance. If you were trying to shoot one off-hand out in the woods at unknown yardages.... good luck.

I've shot a PSE TAC 15. There is no way you'd want to carry that sucker around in the woods. The trigger it comes with is awful so you'd want to put your own lower on it. Still, then what you'd have is a bulky, weapon that needs to be shot from a rest at known yardages to be accurate. It's fun to plink with but for hunting, I'd pick one of my compounds every time. To compare it to a gun is just silly. Unless you have the worlds most inefficient gun.

The idea that today's compounds are somehow soooo hard to shoot is laughable. C'mon. Really?

Drawing?
I have the world's most awful sky-pull for a draw and yet rarely do deer spotting me drawing my bow, and when they do, I still kill them. ( and I'm hunting extraordinarily skittish public land deer and only shoot out to about 25 yards) Only when hunting from the ground with crappy cover is drawing a compound any kind of disadvantage unless you really do some weird things.

There have been some crossbow guys hunting where I hunt; their success rate is actually lower overall than the rest of the hunters. Anecdotal... yes but from what the crossbowphobes say, they should have wiped out all the deer by now.

 

So basically you don't like crossbows because you see it as someone that is able bodoed enough to pull back 60 pound bow is being lazy and you would get made fun of so they should as well?

Or since you seem obsessed with a entry into the p&y record books if someone uses a unfair advantage in your eyes and goes out with a crossbow that takes little to no effort and harvesting a animal that can't be entered that you would of potentially taken. So its unfair or to easy because it takes no skill on they're part?

So yea it seems your jealous somewhat because it's implied by some of your spend a lot of time shooting and preparing for the opportunity to shoot a animal and you don't like that someone can pick adifferent weapon and walk out and kill a deer with little effort. Two years ago one of my friends was driving by a farm here in pike county, spotted a big buck amd stopped and asked the nearby house if he could hunt there. That afternoon he killed a 205" buck that was put into midwest whitetail magazine. Should that not count because he virtually put in no time or work to take that buck? Oh wait he had a compound bow so guess its alright.

Just to make it clear I'm not trying to argue or get into a pissing match. But honestly most of your argument is a crossbow is too easy and apparently it cuts down on bucks or the ability to put a harvest in some sort of record book. And to be honest that argument holds little weight if your gonna debate this much on a topic.