Mass labor was done by chinese and black folk at the point of a gun befor unions, a little thing called slavery. It would look much the same as it did back then without some sort of major event taking place to change it. Company House, Wages so low you could not even think of looking for another job and if you did it was a reason to throw you and your family out on the street and fire you, horrific working conditions, and owe what little wages you made to an over priced company store you were made to do business with.
75% of my truck was made right here, I checked. I believe it's number 8 on the list of vehicals made in America Right ahead of the Toyato Tundra I agree carried is the wrong word, but the car and what happen in the 50's, 60's, and 70's took this countries enonomy up a level. Just like train, shipping and all the other events that happen before. Andrew Carnegie process of making cheap steal took our economy up a level in the late 1900's. Like it or not, Ford, GM and Chrylser were a huge part of that period and a driving force in taking our economy to the next level. Mad Detroit 60 years ago was a very different place then today
What cause the huge growth of our Hwy system? What cause the huge growth in surban neighborhoods? At one point in history Trains were the driving force and took our enonomy to the next level. In the south it was Cotton for a time. In the 90's I would say it was the internet. Turn on the History Channel and watch America the Story of us, really good show. Lays out our history and how our enconomy grew in each time period.
my family, the Mccoys were indentured servants in VA. They went to Ky, a basic frontier made thier own fortunes. While alot of what you say may be true. It doesn't answer the question. Our country thrived and grew without unions. By risktakers. By people willing to go make thier own fortune. Not unions.
And before that Indians thrived, LOL So big are you saying what those men did in the 30's was not a risk? Standing up for what they believed in? What truely amazes me is how fast we forget our own history. We all have it easier because of what generations did before us. I find it amazing how fast we dismiss those before us. Mad described union workers as Hacks, well my cousin works at the warren Chrylser plant where my truck was made. His wife left him a few years back with her kids, he now takes care of them. He sounds like a huge hack to me.
For thousands of years, the rule was, if you had the might, you had the right. If you wasn't strong enough to hold your land by strength, you lost it. Indians did the same thing, even though today they cry that land was stolen. They themselves stole many other tribes land when they became weak. Now, its all about peace and squatters rights and deplomacy. These ideas are fairly new in the history of man. I really don't see unionizing a risk. If anything its mitigating the risk. During the start of our nation, there wasn't too many corporations. Unions were the outcome of corporations.
Unions expanded the middle class in this country. Your idea of risk is going to the bank and getting someone to front you the money for an Idea, while mine is the coal miner that goes to work every single day knowing his mines has been fined for not keeping the methane levels down and that there could be an explosion at any time, or the roof give way from not being pined correctly. You can replace coal miner with steel worker who spends his day standing over a pot of molten metal, to iron workers that hang it hundreds of feet above the ground, to any other trades, plant workers or mass laborers. Corporations don't just pay you a fair wage, you have to bargen for it.
Your not going to find too many mines that doesn't get fined on a regular basis. I know at union mines they do too. MSHA is not doing its job if it can't find anything wrong everyday. Some mines are real gassy, and some not. Mining is an inherent dangerous job. Strata is unpredictable to a point. But one would have to actually work underground to know this. No, my idea of risk is what my ancesters did, going to a frontier with nothing on thier back, risking thier lives, not looking to employer to feed em. My idea of risk is like our forefathers, risking all the vast land they had on principles. Your idea of risk is quite different.
Big the indian was joke I like your post on what happen and I do agree. So walking out on your Job was not a risk for these men and families? I am talking about the men who started unions. You are saying is there was no risk for these workers?
I did not catch this, guess what that is why a group of men started a Union They risk all they had also when started. I am not talking what they have become in some cases, just on why a group of American people assembled and worked for a better life for them and those who followed.
Try answer the question, Did the men who walk out and stood up for their rights take a risk? Yes or No
That don't cut it, Its pretty much a part of history raceway, but your more than welcome to school us on the subject.
So they did what was best for them, and nobody in America was better off because of what they sacerficed. Interesting view big, thx for sharing
