Agreed, maybe now we can start bashing on brands of ming equipment? it's like throwing a pickaxe through a pile of coal! or underwater oil pipe
You're going to cancel your account because someone disagreed with you? And I work as an environmental consultant for many oil companies (one being BP), so yeah, I feel that I'm somewhat more knowledgeable on the subject than the average person.
I don't know you from Adam, but if that's how you honestly feel, then please do. Beat up someone for having an opinion, and then cry about having your own. Makes sense.
I know it has been a couple days since I have read this thread, but do you really believe this crap spewing from your trap? I mean really? How do you not equate higher wages to higher prices. How can you actually say with a straight face that CEO's are to blame and that they are somehow responsible for the wage disparity? How do you justify 30 plus bucks an hour to hang a bumper on a crap car and ***** about the pay of a CEO? You claim that "Corporate greed is what has raped this Country, and they spend millions to keep us dumbed up" and yet you can not place consumer responsibility at any place in the equation? If that is the case then why is it that such a large percentage of the sale price of every UAW produced car goes to pay for health care and retirement for employees that only worked 30 years? Keep us dumbed up? hell, you have accomplished that without any help from any corporate suite at all. You complain about off shoring? Why it is the only thing left that keeps any of the American cars competitive in price is off shoring? If it were not for the hundreds of pounds of Chinese components they would be another couple thousand bucks a pop. Computers, T.V.'s and all electronics would be unattainable for the average person. Tell me, how much do you think the computer that you are reading this on cost if it were built by hacks like the ones that build Chrysler products? Getting paid $30 an hour to assemble a computer? As far as being selfish and looking out for their own good and no one else, not long ago G.M. and Chrysler need taxpayers cash to keep them afloat. Every stakeholder involved took a hit, and mostly voluntarily, except the UAW. Knowing that the taxpayer would be footing the bill they sat there with their hands out. Greed? Crap man, sell that to someone that does not read the news.
My Great Uncle was a Chrysler Hack back in the day, also a WWII vet There is a tad bit of difference between making a car and a computer. Most cars made in the US are 75% to 90% US parts. Toyota, Honda, BMW and all the others use Tax payer money here in the US. I think it BMW in Alabama that the state paid 100,000 an employee. As for only working 30 years, well you have to work in a plant and see why. With all the scaring from asbestence(sp?) my Grandfather got from working in a Ford plant for 30 years, his qualitiy of life is pretty sad state these days. The retirement fund is also paid for by union members. GM's bigget issue was they made models no one wanted to buy. CEO and executive pay is a bit nuts, very few earn what they are paid. Bob Lutz who worked for GM is one who has earned his pay. If it was not for the GM's, Ford or those hacks at Chrylser you would not have the life you have today. The big three carried this county for a lot of years.
What I would like for someone to explain is how before unions, our nation got so great without them. I wonder if we (US) would have faired if unions would have been around?
This is going no where. This isn't a topic of being disagreed with. You lay claim to know everything about every topic. Nobody will say anything about it, but I will. You down everyone on their thoughts or heaven forbid opinions. But whatever your say it's gospel. I'm just sayin', it gets old. I'm glad your a environmental consultant, but I'm not impressed. Everyone on here has some sort of area where they are knowledgeable in a subject than the average joe. From building houses, to working on the railroad, or milking cats. So, chill out a little bit on your comments. I'm not the only one who feels this way on here. That's all from me. Have a great day Hook
Don't really have too, it's pretty simple to figure out. I am not soley talking the big 3, look what the car did for this country. Will anybody deny the driving force of our econonmy was not cars from 1950- late 70's? Look at what was spun off because of cars Highway system Surban Sprawl(this is just crazy, from fast food, malls etc) Cars shrunk distance, when you shrink distance commerece explodes. Don't just look at the big 3(not so big), look at what the car did for USA. Who was the driving force behind the car 60 years ago? Detroit
You do realize the first cars where not from USA? Just the modelT was the first somewhat affordable one. If the big3 wasn't there, you really believe no other company would have came in and made cars for us???
You take me entirely too seriously. I was not trying to impress, I was just stating where my knowledge on the subject comes from. Also, I would like to know what comments of mine were out of line. I always do
I will give you uncle respect for the WWII vet portion. I have a great deal of respect for those that have, are and will serve. Although he may have had issues with the demands of the work, it is not the same today. The physical demands are not what they used to be. As far as Retirement and health care being paid for by the UAW, I would do some research into Chrysler over the past 12 years. You will see that they could not find a buyer when the company was put on the block because of the expense of the health care and retirement that was forced by the use of strikes in the 70's and 80's. I also disagree that GM made the mistake of producing a product that people did not want. In fact it was just the opposite. They produces large truck and SUV's because that is exactly what people wanted. The problem arose when gas hit nearly 5 bucks a gallon and then people could not afford the vehicle that they had bought and those looking would not buy a larger car. The market for large trucks and SUV's slammed shut in just a few months with no time to react. As for the big three carrying this country, I will quote someone that already commented. you are ****ing me, right? This country has up until recently led the industries of the world. My last remaining comment(s) or question(s) to your post is how is making a computer different from making a car? Can it be done in the US? If so then why is it not being done here? It is more technical, I agree, but there is no other reason than cost for it being produced in another country. I lied, one more thing, you had better take that truck of yours apart and count the components produced in China. I can tell you first hand the there are pieces inside of pieces that are sourced in China. There are raw materials that come from Japan, China, and Taiwan. Just the motor alone has hundreds of parts sourced from China.
I will. Airplanes and trains played no part in it? Does space exploration come to mind and that super train (and I'm not talking about the silver bullet :D) forgot it's name and everything else in between?
This reminds me of something I've thought a lot about................. I wonder what the kids that live in Iran read in their history books? Do you think it has any semblance to reality? Geographically-situational history. A new phrase for an old concept. I think some simply call this "propoganda". Seems we're not immune to it, right here in America.
