Please...continuing to bring up fanboy'ism is tantamount to racebaiting, both are over used and misused to the point of absurdity. So the Creed is four years newer than the Destroyer? Multiple experienced archers have testified that the Creed is the smoother draw, that the Destroyer has had several cases of limb problems, BT parts may be problematic, the Mathews is presumably four years newer and the higher priced bow of the two making trade value better no matter what the fan status is of a person in question. The two things you've listed in support of the bowtech in that post I quoted is that people with more expensive taste pay more money for the Mathews and that the Bowtech has a few FPS in speed vs the Mathews. I believe some time ago I listed the Destroyer's speed as the only advantage over the Creed (being cheaper is a given). So tell us again how an even swap of a Creed for a Destroyer is a good deal for the guy with the Creed and maybe try to spare us another red herring based on misuse and misdirection techniques using fanboyism to null and void any objectivity in the discussion.
Someones panties a little tight? You cant skirt the facts, bowtech has had ongoin issues for years now. Its well known.
LOL.........I couldn't care less about fanboys buying new bows every year. Whatever floats your boat. To deny they exist is silly. I am friends with two different shop owners that move tons of Mathews bows and they BOTH have lists of guys that want the newest Mathews the day it's available every year.........not to check it out but purchase sight unseen. Call it what you will but let's not pretend it doesn't exist. Not sure where you came up with the expensive taste twist.........but yes the Destroyer is WAY faster. Mathews have always been slow which is why they tried the Monster line. The red herrings and hyperbole are not coming from me LOL. The Destroyer is faster.........MUCH faster. You know when Mathews lists the Creed at "up to" 328fps they are reaching. The cams on the Destroyer are superior technology. The riser on the Creed is not only hideous but a complete PITA for the owner to dry after a rainy day. The grip on the Creed is awful........I'm not a huge fan of the plastic used on the Destroyer but the feel is far superior and less likely to be torqued. 32 vs 30 ATA is again more stable and better suited for accuracy. The draw comparison you state is flawed because a slug bow will always pull smoother then a screamer. What matters is if the screamer draw is a hindrance to the shooter. I can sit and hold my Destroyer straight out and pull it back with no problems so I can't see the draw being an issue for anyone.
My 70 lb d350 shoots 342 with a 370 grain arrow 30" draw in its hunting form. I will say that no Mathews I have owned never came close to its IBO rating. My Bowtech is one of the first ones out and is the models with the rubber coating on the bow and limbs and never had any thing done to it. As far as draw cycle you have to remember one thing your body is used to your bows draw cycle/muscle memory. Try pulling a pse omen it's like the cams are square but I am sure I could shoot it a while and would not notice. I personally wish they made bows with 50 percent let off but my body type is built for speed.
The one his is looking at is a 2013 model. Destroyer LE. Mine shot very well, Those OD Binary cams are easy to tune. The grip I liked very much. Just didn't care for the draw cycle. My limbs did start flaking pretty fast, but I'm pretty sure thats very common with them.
Never said fanboys didn't exist, they do for every bow company out there. My point was made for this discussion's purposes as it seemed to be continually implied that comments against the Bowtech were being made by Mathews fanboys. Wasn't a twist, you implied that Mathews fanboys would buy anything no matter the price because they are fanboys, insinuating that as the reason Mathews makes cheap bows that are higher priced than BT bows like the destroyer. Well, at least we can agree the risers on the Mathews bows look awful. I can't complain about the grip on the Creed but the Destroyers I've shot sucked. Comparison is not flawed...it may be irrelevant to you but that's far from being "flawed". For the sake of this thread and the trade that was proposed..it's a bad trade off draw to draw unless someone wants the rawnchy draw cycle of a mediocre speed bow. I'm glad you can draw your bow properly, I bet Creed shooters can too, only more comfortably.
Hey - I'm not going to get caught up in the noise on this thread but wanted to reply to the original poster and share my opinion on the Destroyer. I've personally owned 4 of them, one 350 and three 340's. All of them were 100% reliable and I had no issues with any of them. I did eventually upgrade to the Experience and now a RPM360, but it took me a couple of years to do that, I liked the Destroyers that much. I still consider the Destroyer series of bows in the top 3 hunting bows BowTech has ever made. They are fast, quiet, and smoother than 99% of the other bows that produce similar speeds. In addition to the Destroyers I've personally owned, I've setup and tuned maybe 10 more for friends. None of them had any problems or failures of any type. The outside layer of the bottom limb on one of them did have minor flaking, but none of my personal bows did. The guy that had flaking problems was using a Vista V-Pod type bow stand and I believe that is what caused the flaking. It doesn't affect the performance of the bow, but it certainly didn't look good, if you do get one make sure you don't constantly rub on the finish of the limb and you should be fine. I've been on BowTech's Pro Staff for years and visit a lot of dealers as well, none of the dozen or so dealers I've been in touch with had any limb failures they made me aware of. I usually hear about recurring problems when speaking with those dealers. I assume the limb failures you read about on archerytalk were likely guys or dealers pressing these bows with traditional bow presses, you really need to be using a finger style press with these bows like the Last Chance style of presses. Both the Creed and Destroyer are great bows, but they represent pretty far opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to bow features. The Creed is shorter and smoother. The Destroyer is significantly faster and far more tunable for cam lean, nock travel, and creep tune. Comparing the two is like comparing a Cadillac and a Corvette. One is not better than the other, they both have very different characteristics and will appeal to different people. If you want a significantly faster and more tunable bow, the Destroyer will serve you well.
I would say ultimately maybe you should try shooting the bow up for trade. Form your own opinion of whats going to work or not work best for you. You are the one who will have to deal with your decision, not anyone else on this forum or thread.Its always nice to be a little more informed, but when the information becomes attempting to sell a person something, the information may get lost somewhere in the shuffle. Good luck in the upcoming season and whatever you decide. Just for the record, my other half was shooting a Matthews Monster and switched to the Bowtech Destoyer because the Monster was tearing his shoulder apart because of how violent the let off was. He has not had any issues with his bow and he shoots ALOT. I shoot a Bowtech Assassin and have not had any issues other than having to change out brushes on my Hostage rest because I also shoot a lot.
It's not a logical stretch for anyone who knows the bows. I didn't imply anything........I stated the truth. YOU implied that equated to "expensive taste". Two different things. LOL.......I'm not really crazy about the limb graphics on my Destroyer either but I like the rest of the look. I don't know how much more comfortably you can draw a bow other then seated and held at arms length. I've never really heard anyone complain about the draw on the Destroyer, in fact it was one of the reasons I bought the bow.........it draws smooth and easy for the speed it puts out. I'm sure the creed does draw easier........so do other snail bows and cute pink camo ones but I wouldn't choose those either. If you're happy shooting a slow bow that offers nothing in the way of even a single feature to brag about then the Creed is a nice option...........at least you get a "free" hat and stickers.
So just checked this thread for the first time in a bit and didn't realize it had blown up ha. I ended up not trading, I sold my Creed and actually went back a couple years to the z7 xTreme and I absolutely love it. I've shot a bunch of bows, and swapped and traded but I think I'm holding on to this one for quite some time. Still got a Prime Defy if anyone is intersted . Closing the thread now. Later.
