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Bill Busbice pleads guilty

Discussion in 'Bowhunting Talk' started by trial153, Jun 27, 2017.

  1. Bowsage

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    Spreading hate isn't any more honorable than poaching.
     
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    Didn't say that. However, I would rather there be no outdoor television industry than what we have now. So sure, no outdoor television would be fine with me.

    What I am actually saying we have an wayyyyyyyyy over saturated market. Because we have a way over saturated market every show has to attempt to distinguish themselves from the rest of the pack somehow. The guy writing the check gets on TV not the guy with best show. The horn porn disease has infected the entire hunting culture. These hunting shows has trained hunters to be antler obsessive. Obsessive to the point the fun has gone out of hunting for a lot of people and it really is sad what hunting has become. All in the name of a bunch of crappy hunting shows that didn't belong on TV in the first place. Then those hunting shows present a false image of their hunting story and fabricate the results which in some cases has to lead to poaching to get something to put on camera. Other times its just taking bad shots that should not of been taken. Or even just filming in a way or editing to get something that looks more impressive to the viewers. Its all FAKE one way or the other.
     
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    Right... Just a great point.
     
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    It's no different than any other entertainment industry, and that's what hunting shows are. Entertainment, they are not documentary's. I'm not going to disagree that there's a lot of bad shows out there, but there are some really good one's too.
     
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    If you say so.
     
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    Never heard of the guy before this. What a great way for to make a name for himself representing hunters. Hopefully his partner companies will drop him quick.
     
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    Looks like a lot of people are all over their Facebook page criticizing. and it's well deserved. As celebrity hunters (I've never heard of them, just assuming), they have the responsibility of representing all hunters because they are in the spotlight.
     
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    The camera makes guys do all kinds of unethical things. It certainly does. The pressure to produce footage for TV and to be a "celebrity" is too much for most guys to handle. Even young kids are doing it to impress their buddies. The camera has certainly ruined hunting. Without cameras, most of the ground around me would still be owned and hunted by locals. Not, high profile "celebrity" hunters that are making a living from putting kill shots on film. The camera makes a lot of guys make poor decisions.
     
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    I guess I'm just different, but I sure as hell wouldn't do anything unethical on camera! I let lots of deer walk because I want to get good footage, I'm sure not going to force the issue and take bad shots, it just makes you look like a jackass. As a society, we sure have a problem with lumping everyone from a group into one category.
     
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    Thanks Confucius.

    Anyway I hate this prick. I hate how he casts all of us in a poor light and I hate his disgusting actions. The lack of respect for our game and sport is contemptible.
     
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    How exactly is he involved in all these companies? Some major labels listed there.
     
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    While I don't disagree that this has happened, IMO the camera does more to keep people honest than it does to push them in the other direction. Putting poor decisions out there for the world to see, and then talk about, isn't an easy thing to do. Making a bad decision and then not telling anyone or fabricating the story is a lot easier when there's no proof. It's pretty easy to lie about how dark it was, how far the deer was, or what the shot angle was when you're the only person who saw it.

    Again, while not entirely untrue I hesitate to use the term "most". There's a LOT of hunting shows out there, with a LOT of guys out hunting and filming. By and large it's been a relatively small and low amount of them doing things illegally. In Bill Busbice's case he's a multi-millionaire who owns dozens of businesses, more land than he could ever hunt on and has had 2 TV shows and plenty of "fame". I highly doubt the pressure of filming made him do anything he wouldn't have done without a camera around. It's not like he had sponsors to please - he has enough money to self-fund his own TV show.

    Young people are stupid and do stupid things. This certainly isn't exclusive to hunting. I did plenty of dumb hunting things when I was young and none of them involved a camera (thank God).

    I don't feel like hunting is ruined by any means. Hunting is what you make it.

    :lol: Cameras didn't buy the ground around you - money did. Those landowners didn't need to sell their land if they didn't want to. And let's face facts - you're not doing too bad in spite of these horrible tv-show celebrities owning the farms around you. Last I checked your wall was more impressive than just about anyone I've seen.

    Back to the beginning - I don't blame the camera itself. The problem is so much bigger than that. It's our society. Social media and the ability to share photos and videos of your accomplishments with people around the world with a couple clicks has changed the game. People are looking for instant gratification and the release of dopamine they get when someone "likes" them. The pursuit of that feeling is what leads people to poor decisions. Sometimes it involves a video of the kill, sometimes it doesn't.
     
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    He owns them.
     
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    He's gotta be pretty wealthy.
     
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    At this point any association with Plano Synergy is a poor reflection on your Character. That includes sponsorships from companies in the holding group. People should cut ties with these slobs immediately.
     
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    Easy to say when you're not standing in their shoes. How many of us would up and quit our jobs on the spot if our employer did something we disagreed with? Sure you'd start looking for an alternative, but not many folks would up and walk out the door. Not when you have bills to pay, kids to feed and other responsibilities. Not to mention many of them are smack in the middle of contracts right now and simply 'quitting' isn't always a viable option.

    Taking the moral high ground always sounds great when you're the one telling others what to do. The waters get a little murky when you're the one standing in them.
     
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    EXACTLY, this if anything should infuriate honest sportsman more than UA making a business decision to drop someone....


    Busbice is simply worthless...plain and simple.
     
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    If you make your living off of Hunting animals that are owned by the public then you have a primary obligation to the resource and it's owners. I would say that's pretty clear however it only gets murky if your stirring in your own interests above those of the resource.
    Continued patronage on any level is nothing more than enabling after your aware of the persons actions.
     
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