So I just watched about a half hour thing on gameday about Big Ben. I must be missing something. I kind of understand he was someplace he probably shouldn't have been (I guess). And probably behaved like he shouldn't have (I guess)? But he wasn't convicted of any crime that I'm aware of. They were talking like this is his first week back from getting out of prison for murder or something. "He needs to prove to a lot of people he's changed himself". "Wonder how the Steeler fans are going to welcome him when he steps on the field" "He let down the Rooney family and needs to earn their trust again" etc..... On and on like the guy repeatedly broke a drug policy or was in and out of jail like some of the other thug athletes floating around all sports. I know he's always been slightly different, but I wasn't aware it was that much. Unless I'm missing something I think this whole thing is a little overkill. Matter of fact what was he suspended 4 games for anyway? Going out to a college bar?
Do you have a daughter? Being convicted of a crime is not the threshold. Acting in a manner not condusive to the positive image of the league - is. Seriously......do a little research. Ben's probably lucky he isn't in prison.
No If he wasn't convicted of a crime what manner of acting was not condusive to positive image of the league? Is the commisioner making his own assumptions? Is that the basis for the suspension?That's a serious question by the way. That's why I asked. I really didn't follow the whole thing all that much. To the everyday joe that doesn't follow the Steelers or Ben, it seems as if he was suspended and getting bashed by the media for going to a bar and playing a hanky panky with some college girl. Like I said.... I think I'm missing something. Maybe it is warranted .... maybe it's not.
Ben did not send a text, he just whips it out face to face. Ben had an under age girl drunk and in a bathroom alone. Only Ben and the girl knows what happen. Imo ben got hammered by the nfl for putting himself in that situation.
A he said she said deal. One thing I teach my daughter in life it's going to be how to avoid putting yourself in a situation where she is not in control.
There was alot of reports that Ward and alot of other Steelers just tolerated him, he was very egotistic and basically out of control off the field. Alot of what I have read said he is getting that confidence back from the guys so to speak. If any of you guys have not heard her police interview you should watch it. Might change you opinion of the "crime" and why the DA did not have a chance in hell of getting anyone to put him away. Um like we were drunk and he pulled it out and I was like were having sex on the sink, and like this is a NFL QB and like we probably should not do this. Like the door is open, like wow that was quick...etc. I do not condone anything he did, just stating what was in the interview.
Didn't get the W, though did, they? Hillis held to 41yds as well. Defense played well. McCoy did play well for the circumstances, however. As for the case, as a Steeler fan, I'm not a big fan of his personality, but he gets the job done on the field. He put himself in that situation, regardless of what happened, and that's poor judgment on his part. He should know better. What I find comical is how so many people are so ADAMANTLY proclaiming that Ben's punishment wasn't severe enough, he's tarnished the Steeler legacy, etc, etc, while they're willing to turn a blind eye to convicted felon's like Vick, or accused murder's (Lewis). Professional athletes are not all upstanding citizens, nor are they all role models. Unfortunately that's a fact of life. Whether fans agree or disagree with the punishments enacted by the league, they are what they are. He served his punishment, and now he's back...just like Vick.
Well said, as a lifelong Steelers fan I agree. I've told many people that if he was indeed proven guilty he needs to be punished to the maximum allowed by law, in this case you have to give him the benefit of the doubt and reserve any opinion about it as your own. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I accept that. The sad part is, the true victims get civil judgements and other money that give no good gold diggers incentive to file false accusations if for nothing else the hopes of a go away pay-off. It's the gold diggers in the world that makes it harder than ever for the innocent victims to be taken seriously and it's a real shame.
I'm not a fan of his, but I'd be willing to bet that poor girl wasn't on her way home from choir practice either. There were poor decisions made on both parts.
I agree. As a grown man he is responsible for his actions. He clearly controlled the situation. He should have the foresight to know this would come back to bite him in the butt. I would imagine as he was putting "little ben" back in his pants those thoughts were going through his mind.
Teenage ignorance? That seems to be grasping for straws. Ben didn't drag her by the hair into the bathroom. It really gets old seeing young women do this crap and once they sobered up the realized they made a mistake. What do they do then? They pass all the blame off to the other consinsual party and claim they were taken advantage of. B.S. in my opinion. Before you ask, Jeff, I don't have a daughter. That's not even a valid arguement. Had this been my daughter after I had received all the facts, I would have explained to her that she is just as guilty as the man she took to the bathroom. Could Ben have said no? He should have. Could the young lady in question have said the same thing? Yep....... Some of you need to get a clue on how young women act these days.
I know exactly how young women act these days. That's why, as a professional adult, I don't run in their circles, much.
I guess it all depends on what kind of behavior we (society) expect from adults and what kind of behavior we expect from teenagers. I never expected my son to act like a adult, and make adult decisions when he was still learning to do so as a teenager but, now that he is an adult I do not expect him to make dumbass teenage decisions. Who do you hold responsible for all of this piss poor decision making, the adult or the teenager? As adults we should look out for our young people, not take advantage of them.
Jeff, I had a teammate in college who had drunk consenual sex with another consenting adult. The next day as her buzz wore off she for some reason "changed her mind". My friend who had worked 4 years to become a starter on the football team was kicked out of school for the remainder of the fall semester. The local PD refused to press charges because there was nothing that pointed to anything else besides consenual sex amongst adults. My college however referred to the student code of conduct and suspended him WITHOUT any proof, other than a woman who the next day claimed she changed her mind. He lost the last 6 games of his college career after he had worked for four years to become a starter. He also lost all of his fall credits. BS.
